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Old January 28 2013, 08:35 PM   #406
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^ Not in serialized fiction; the term reboot, when used in that context and medium, means to discard and start over.
Since you're way too hung up on the definition of the word "reboot," let's use another word.

Singer also just went on record stating that he is not ignoring any of the existing stories with DoFP, although both First Class and The Wolverine appear to have already ignored Origins: Wolverine, so we'll have to see what happens with DoFP for sure.
And again, I'm not saying they should ignore anything. I'm saying that time travel is a tool that can be used to make changes to the currently-existing X-Men universe. Perhaps, through the course of DOFP, certain things will end up differently than they were at the end of First Class or The Last Stand (for instance, maybe at the end of the movie, Professor X, Scott, and Jean are all alive and well in their new altered timeline).
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Old January 28 2013, 08:40 PM   #407
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And again, I'm not saying they should ignore anything. I'm saying that time travel is a tool that can be used to make changes to the currently-existing X-Men universe. Perhaps, through the course of DOFP, certain things will end up differently than they were at the end of First Class or The Last Stand (for instance, maybe at the end of the movie, Professor X, Scott, and Jean are all alive and well in their new altered timeline).
I like this idea. Rewrite the battle of San Francisco and the whole Phoenix incident out of existence.
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Old January 28 2013, 08:55 PM   #408
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both First Class and The Wolverine appear to have already ignored Origins: Wolverine
As far as I know, The Wolverine only ignores Origins by not directly referring to anything unique to that film, not by contradiction.

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What better way to ignore The Last Stand than by using the story to undo it?
You can call that "ignoring" TLS if you want, but by that definition STXI ignored all of prior Trek canon. This kind of stretches the definition of ignoring. It doesn't ignore it in the sense that it's saying "this still happened in another timeline", which is arguably different from pretending TLS never took place.
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Old January 28 2013, 09:26 PM   #409
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This has always been my theory.
But didn't X-Men the last stand end with things kind of hunky dorry between regular humans and mutants?

How the hell do you go from appointing Hank McCoy as the U.S. representative to the United Nations to unleashing giant robots to commit genocide again mutants.
How do you go from the USA arming Mujahadeen fighters in Afghanistan in the 1980s to Al-Queda attacking American soil in 2011?
The U.S. supporting dictators in the Middle East and Al-Queda being a group of nutty religious extremists. Though I'm sure theirs other stuff in there too

Or the US and USSR being WWII allies, then Cold War foes,
Paranoia about communism added with the Iron Curtain and Stalin basically telling the rest of the allies "screw you" about reuniting Germany aka putting a giant freaking wall around half of Germany, but again there is probably other stuff that contributed.

then post-Glasnost allies
Winning the Cold War I imagine at least on the U.S. and western Europe's side and the Russians at that point having more important stuff to worry about like and economy in the toilet.

and now cold warriors again?
wait what?

Not quite as dramatic as giant genocidal robots, admittedly but the status quo rarely remains so for long.
Yeah for international relations not Civil Rights issues which tend to go from one group not liking another to acceptance/not giving a crap anymore that their in the group, so unless we're going to restart Jim Crow laws and bring Don't Ask Don't Tell back not remotely close to mutants suddenly going from at least somewhat accepted to being hunted down like dogs.
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Old January 28 2013, 10:31 PM   #410
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Bryan Singer to Empire Magazine, by way of AICN...

Sorry, Admiral Young...
"Iím taking into account every movie Ė Iím not just grabbing my first two movies and First Class and smashing them together. Iím taking into account the entire universe as itís been laid out so far on the screen, and really respecting it and trying to work with that. People took things in various directions, so thereís some clean-up," he confessed. "But ultimately Iím not just ignoring them either."


Also of note...
"It has a lot of aspects of the comic. The actual comic of 'Days Of Future Past' had a whole ton of stuff going on, so itís like any of these things; you have to distill it. But I think the fans will be pleased that some of the most exciting parts of 'Days Of Future Past' are going to be connected to this movie."
Sounds better and better.
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Old January 28 2013, 10:35 PM   #411
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I like that he refers to it as "clean up."
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Old January 28 2013, 10:39 PM   #412
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I wonder if that's code for giving Rogue her powers back.
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Old January 28 2013, 10:41 PM   #413
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I hope so. I also hope Alternate Universe Future Rogue has acquired Ms. Marvel's powers and kicks some Sentinel ass.
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Old January 28 2013, 10:42 PM   #414
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Since this now acknowledges how Singer is combing all aspects of the Fox mutant film library I can now see one huge Blu Ray set, of the 7 films, down the road loaded with all types of extras!!!
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Old January 28 2013, 11:05 PM   #415
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We get to bring both casts together. Weíve cracked it in a way that makes sense. I had a two-hour conversation with James Cameron about time travel, string theory, multiverses and all that. You have to create your rules and stick with them. Thatís what makes Terminator and Back to the Future work so well. And there are certain mechanisms in X-Men, certain powers, perceptions and characters, that make this possible.
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I wonder if that's code for giving Rogue her powers back.
And, as the ultimate up-yours to X3, when her powers do come back, she gets super-strength and flight, too.
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Old January 28 2013, 11:55 PM   #417
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^^ The core problem was McCoy being in the government in the first place after Mags almost killed everybody in X2.

Not bringing Grammar back is a great way to ignore TLS as much as reasonably possible without denying it entirely.
Except we already know that Ellen Page is coming back, so why not have Grammer return?

Of course, the point is moot now with Singer's pronouncement that he's not ignoring any of the movies.
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Old January 28 2013, 11:55 PM   #418
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^^ The core problem was McCoy being in the government in the first place after Mags almost killed everybody in X2.

Not bringing Grammar back is a great way to ignore TLS as much as reasonably possible without denying it entirely.
X3 might have sucked but Grammer was a terrific Beast. Well-suited for the role and one of the best things in that movie.

I liked Hoult as Beast though I didn't like is that they decided to make him the smartest man on Earth. Beast is a genetic scientist but all of a sudden he's creating Cerebro and the Blackbird, things that have never been his area of expertise.
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In terms of the way that the term reboot is defined in terms of serialized fiction...


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^ Not in serialized fiction; the term reboot, when used in that context and medium, means to discard and start over.
Then I guess it was a good thing that I put the term "reboot" in quotes, to indicate that I was using the term loosely in a time travel context and not in the sense that you define it.

Singer also just went on record stating that he is not ignoring any of the existing stories with DoFP, although both First Class and The Wolverine appear to have already ignored Origins: Wolverine, so we'll have to see what happens with DoFP for sure.
Which sounds not that dissimilar from what I posited:

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From what I've read, and I'm probably not the first to make this guess, but I think the producers are going to use the time travel/ripple effect concept to "reboot" the franchise and "fix" some of the continuity, not to mention undo at least some of what happened in X3.
In other words, all the films will still "exist" and be tied together but the time travel will change some things going forward and perhaps retroactively (some of the continuity differences between films and the spin offs).
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^^ The core problem was McCoy being in the government in the first place after Mags almost killed everybody in X2.

Not bringing Grammar back is a great way to ignore TLS as much as reasonably possible without denying it entirely.
Except we already know that Ellen Page is coming back, so why not have Grammer return?
... 'Cause it's cheaper and easier to kill such a major actor's makeup-intensive character offscreen than to add him to an already-bulging cast?

We'll see...


(And, as one who had only a vague awareness of who Beast was prior to X3, I wasn't all that impressed by his portrayal. I mean, it was fine, but nothing to write home about for novices like moi.)
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