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Old August 13 2012, 09:17 PM   #571
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Old August 13 2012, 09:23 PM   #572
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New information on the extended cut of 'The Measure of a Man' from yesterday's convention:
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/13081...eextended.html
Cool that they found the actual footage.

The only thing that would make it better was if they were resizing the Regula I station as well. They made it so ridiculously huge in this episode compared to it's size in TWOK, that the Ent-D just looks like a little toy next to it. http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...eofaman263.jpg

But the Stargazer wasn't changed, so I doubt this will be either.
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Old August 13 2012, 09:27 PM   #573
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Couldn't that apparent size difference just be due to perspective? Or are there other shots in the episode confirming the oddity?
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Old August 13 2012, 10:06 PM   #574
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Why does it have to be the exact type/model space station used for Regula 1? Why can't it be a much larger space station that simply looks like Regula 1?
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Old August 13 2012, 10:17 PM   #575
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Great news that the extended version of TMoaM will be fully post-produced and not just presented in workprint form (at least that appears to be whats happening).

Interesting that they recovered all the footage, when the recent interview with Robert Meyer Burnett seemed to indicate that most of the unused footage doesn't exist, and hence the lack of any deleted scenes so far.
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Old August 13 2012, 10:23 PM   #576
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Great news that the extended version of TMoaM will be fully post-produced and not just presented in workprint form (at least that appears to be whats happening).

Interesting that they recovered all the footage, when the recent interview with Robert Meyer Burnett seemed to indicate that most of the unused footage doesn't exist, and hence the lack of any deleted scenes so far.
Someone probably figured that TMoaM would be a highly regarded episode or was aware of how well regarded it was and got the cut scenes before they could be disposed. Most other episodes probably didn't get that kind of consideration except maybe AGT.
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Old August 13 2012, 10:25 PM   #577
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Heck, it might be even simpler than that: Most episodes probably didn't have enough material filmed to make a 60 minute work print in the first place. Or if they did, nobody assembled such a workprint, so the material got tossed during initial editing. So that the negatives survived in this case might be tightly linked both to the "over-shooting" and the original workprint having been created.
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Old August 13 2012, 10:45 PM   #578
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Couldn't that apparent size difference just be due to perspective? Or are there other shots in the episode confirming the oddity?
Well there's this one:
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...eofaman025.jpg
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Why does it have to be the exact type/model space station used for Regula 1? Why can't it be a much larger space station that simply looks like Regula 1?
Because it's just SO recognizable as the station from TWOK. And even appears to be shot the same way.

I certainly don't mind them fudging the scales a little bit for TNG (because you don't want the Enterprise dwarfing the station completely), but I do still think they went a bit overboard.

Especially considering the station doesn't really have the kind of detail for such a huge scale.
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Old August 13 2012, 10:58 PM   #579
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Couldn't that apparent size difference just be due to perspective? Or are there other shots in the episode confirming the oddity?
Well there's this one:
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...eofaman025.jpg
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Why does it have to be the exact type/model space station used for Regula 1? Why can't it be a much larger space station that simply looks like Regula 1?
Because it's just SO recognizable as the station from TWOK. And even appears to be shot the same way.

I certainly don't mind them fudging the scales a little bit for TNG (because you don't want the Enterprise dwarfing the station completely), but I do still think they went a bit overboard.

Especially considering the station doesn't really have the kind of detail for such a huge scale.
Yeah, this is one of those instances that I just wish they'd replace the station wholesale if they don't fix the scaling. It's one thing being respectful with the directorial choices, it's another to not fix something that makes no sense.
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Old August 13 2012, 11:04 PM   #580
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Perhaps this is a good point to create a "Blu-ray Season 2 discussion" sticky thread?
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Old August 13 2012, 11:35 PM   #581
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Interesting that they recovered all the footage, when the recent interview with Robert Meyer Burnett seemed to indicate that most of the unused footage doesn't exist, and hence the lack of any deleted scenes so far.
Heck, it might be even simpler than that: Most episodes probably didn't have enough material filmed to make a 60 minute work print in the first place. Or if they did, nobody assembled such a workprint, so the material got tossed during initial editing. So that the negatives survived in this case might be tightly linked both to the "over-shooting" and the original workprint having been created.
That makes sense.

What they probably kept in storage were any circle takes (the takes that the director chose to "print" -- or in this case telecine -- and that the camera assistant then circled on his or her camera report). Because they shot "The Measure of a Man" as written (2ND REV. FINAL DRAFT) and even did a rough assembly with these additional scenes, these circle takes were still preserved.

It's interesting to note that the aforementioned teleplay of "The Measure of a Man" by Melinda Snodgrass is 53 pages. The longest teleplay of Season Two is "Shades of Gray" at 76 pages... mostly due to extra flashback scenes not used in the aired version. The shortest is "The Royale" at 48 pages.

It all depends on the writing style used... some writers have long dialogue blocks or long action description, others not so much. The general rule used during TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT was about 1 1/2 pages-per-minute (so around 65 pages maximum for a 43 minute episode, minus the credit sequences).
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Old August 14 2012, 12:05 AM   #582
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It's interesting to note that the aforementioned teleplay of "The Measure of a Man" by Melinda Snodgrass is 53 pages. The longest teleplay of Season Two is "Shades of Gray" at 76 pages... mostly due to extra flashback scenes not used in the aired version. The shortest is "The Royale" at 48 pages.
Kinda surprised they even bothered writing a complete script for Shades of Grey. I figured they just wrote a few pages, and then let the editors insert the necessary flashback scenes later on.
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Old August 14 2012, 12:44 AM   #583
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Perhaps this is a good point to create a "Blu-ray Season 2 discussion" sticky thread?
A tad too soon methinks. As soon as we have a release date, I'll put it up. Meantime, keep on droolin'.
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Old August 14 2012, 12:57 AM   #584
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It's interesting to note that the aforementioned teleplay of "The Measure of a Man" by Melinda Snodgrass is 53 pages. The longest teleplay of Season Two is "Shades of Gray" at 76 pages... mostly due to extra flashback scenes not used in the aired version. The shortest is "The Royale" at 48 pages.
Kinda surprised they even bothered writing a complete script for Shades of Grey. I figured they just wrote a few pages, and then let the editors insert the necessary flashback scenes later on.
Maurice Hurley (the writer) probably just put in a slug line referencing the appropriate episode/scene, then it was up to the script editors to insert the text from those episode's teleplays into "Shades of Gray".

Believe it or not, the video editors still needed a complete script to know exactly what parts of what scenes to include and how they're supposed to integrate into the new material (dissolves, fades, etc.)

It's just easier for everyone that way... including the director and actors during the shooting. Hey, Frakes needed to know what he was supposed to be dreaming about!
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I'm really happy about the extended cut (And the regular) Measure of a Man episode. I really wonder how that will turn out. Also, more commentaries would be great, as well as some other features. Still, for this being Season 1, they have done a fantastic job, especially in the customer service area.
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