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Old August 6 2012, 12:35 AM   #436
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Next episode of HD caps from TNG-Remastered at TrekCore:

'The Last Outpost' http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=7

Enjoy!
...amd the accompanying Observations article is online, too: "The last outpost" at EAS
Great as always! Just wanted to point out that in the section that shows Riker on the cliff you write, "Some shots on the planet surface are rather blurry, perhaps owing to the video post-production." You could note here that this is one of many anamorphically lensed shots in the early seasons where -- in lieu of using a motion control camera -- the shot was filmed in 2.35:1 Panavision and later "Pan & Scanned" to achieve a camera move in post.
Cool, thanks for that info! We'll include it and give credit to you in the article!
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Old August 6 2012, 01:17 AM   #437
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Cool, thanks for that info! We'll include it and give credit to you in the article!
You're very welcome! Here's two images I just made using TrekCore's caps to illustrate it a bit better:



Full res: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5...ofhonor253.jpg




Full res: http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4...outpost235.jpg
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Old August 6 2012, 01:24 AM   #438
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Cool, thanks for that info! We'll include it and give credit to you in the article!
You're very welcome! Here's two images I just made using TrekCore's caps to illustrate it a bit better:



Full res: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5...ofhonor253.jpg
Ahh, that explains the extreme blurriness of that shot in the original episode. I thought it was just the various materialisation effects of the holodeck but the pan and scan adds to the blurriness and explains why the shot is still a little blurred, even on blu-ray.
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Old August 6 2012, 02:16 AM   #439
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Ahh, that explains the extreme blurriness of that shot in the original episode. I thought it was just the various materialisation effects of the holodeck but the pan and scan adds to the blurriness and explains why the shot is still a little blurred, even on blu-ray.
Yep. And here's the other one from "The Last Outpost". I had to do more image editing to this one because it isn't used in one shot like the other two... but pieced out in several shots on the bridge, sometimes tighter, sometimes wider:



Full res: http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/850...utpost2235.jpg
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Old August 6 2012, 03:28 AM   #440
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TNG Season 1 is a horror show compared to Season 1 of Star Trek. Oh and for the 60s, the effects even looked better than season 1 of TNG. Why just light the warp engines on ENT-D when the Enterprise had a cool looking effect in model.
Well I think everyone agrees that TOS had the best first season of any Trek.

But for my money Where No One, Big Goodbye, 11010011, Heart of Glory, and Conspiracy are still some of the best episodes of TNG that were ever made-- and up there with the best eps of Trek period.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. In addition, TNG effects work of 1987 are far better than the TOS work of 1966. TOS effects look amazing for their time and TNG effects look amazing for their time.
I have to seriously disagree. Even the effects producers will talk about how poor their work was in the first season. This wasn't because they didn't have talent (far from it, I mean look at Legato's career as just one example).

It was primarily due to two major factors, man power and not having the infrastructure in place to really do weekly effects.

Not that they couldn't produced some nice model work, but that the production was not designed to do weekly special effects. The plan was for ILM's stock shots to cover the vast majority of material.

They weren't staffed for it, nor did they have the facilities to do really strong work. Now of course they tell stories of working themselves do death the first season just to get anything on the screen. But you will see that Season two had vastly more polish and creativity in both design and actual lensing of fx.

And as each year happened the show increased the productions ability to work on a tv schedule. Compare (not the ILM footage as they did have the have a great set up designed for fx, obviously), the work done in the first season versus the 2nd and 3rd (pre 4 footer), and obviously it wasn't that they gained greater skill, but they gained more time (as the staff was enlarged), and they planned out more what was needed, and how best to work with the facilities they had.

Really can't wait for us to be able to see the various teams work and how it differs. For example, I love Legato's work, and find Curry's (motion control side) serviceable but not beautiful (Curry's non model work I actually like better). TO me something like comparing a Rob Bowman versus a Cliff Bole.

As for the quality of episodes, I know we disagree though the episodes mentioned are the ones I do like ( I rate them all as Very good in fact really the only episodes of the first season I would actually recommend), but I even my favorite of that bunch (usually 11001001), but I wouldn't call any of them great (but in fairness I don't through out high marks often, generally I think people are way to lenient on the writing and acting of popular entertainment.
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Old August 6 2012, 03:55 AM   #441
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Well I think everyone agrees that TOS had the best first season of any Trek.

But for my money Where No One, Big Goodbye, 11010011, Heart of Glory, and Conspiracy are still some of the best episodes of TNG that were ever made-- and up there with the best eps of Trek period.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. In addition, TNG effects work of 1987 are far better than the TOS work of 1966. TOS effects look amazing for their time and TNG effects look amazing for their time.
I have to seriously disagree. Even the effects producers will talk about how poor their work was in the first season. This wasn't because they didn't have talent (far from it, I mean look at Legato's career as just one example).

It was primarily due to two major factors, man power and not having the infrastructure in place to really do weekly effects.

Not that they couldn't produced some nice model work, but that the production was not designed to do weekly special effects. The plan was for ILM's stock shots to cover the vast majority of material.

They weren't staffed for it, nor did they have the facilities to do really strong work. Now of course they tell stories of working themselves do death the first season just to get anything on the screen. But you will see that Season two had vastly more polish and creativity in both design and actual lensing of fx.

And as each year happened the show increased the productions ability to work on a tv schedule. Compare (not the ILM footage as they did have the have a great set up designed for fx, obviously), the work done in the first season versus the 2nd and 3rd (pre 4 footer), and obviously it wasn't that they gained greater skill, but they gained more time (as the staff was enlarged), and they planned out more what was needed, and how best to work with the facilities they had.

Really can't wait for us to be able to see the various teams work and how it differs. For example, I love Legato's work, and find Curry's (motion control side) serviceable but not beautiful (Curry's non model work I actually like better). TO me something like comparing a Rob Bowman versus a Cliff Bole.

As for the quality of episodes, I know we disagree though the episodes mentioned are the ones I do like ( I rate them all as Very good in fact really the only episodes of the first season I would actually recommend), but I even my favorite of that bunch (usually 11001001), but I wouldn't call any of them great (but in fairness I don't through out high marks often, generally I think people are way to lenient on the writing and acting of popular entertainment.


They sort of mention that in the Stardate Revisited. They had ILM run some generic shots of Enterprise, since it sounded like there was no plan to do specialized effects work, or at least keep it to a minimum. One thing that always bugged me about TNG, The ENT-D always looked small, like a model There was never any sense of scale to it like with the original series where they were able to get up close to the model. I think the only shot where you get a sense of scale for ENT-D is the warp away at the end of the opening credits. I was never a big fan of the light up warp engines, it looked stupid to me. The TMP Enterprise only had slightly glowing engines at warp, in the inner grill work on the inboard sides.

Like I previously mentioned TNG hit its best patch of episodes with consistency was 3-5.



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Old August 6 2012, 09:29 AM   #442
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The 5th video in TrekCore's SD to HD video series is up ("The Last Outpost")
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Old August 6 2012, 03:08 PM   #443
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The changes to the sun debris in The Naked Now bummed me out horribly. It's no longer an ice cube of doom, but instead an extremely hot potato.
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Old August 6 2012, 03:43 PM   #444
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I'm glad they finally got the old Enterprise right in "The Naked Now"!

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I'm glad they finally got the old Enterprise right in "The Naked Now"!

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Old August 6 2012, 04:10 PM   #446
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^ Needs more lens flare.
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Old August 6 2012, 04:17 PM   #447
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Old August 6 2012, 04:28 PM   #448
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I think it would have been hilarious if they had done that! Even if it was just for one of their promo clips as a joke.
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Old August 6 2012, 04:54 PM   #449
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You know, that picture is so exploitable:
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^ Needs more lens flare.
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