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Old July 4 2012, 08:06 AM   #1
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What Came First...

...the Galaxy or the Nebula?

The Nebula-Class could have come first, as a test ship for some of the technology and design elements used in the Galaxy-Class. But then the Nebula could have come after the Galaxy as a 'cheaper' alternative.
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Old July 4 2012, 12:04 PM   #2
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Re: What Came First...

Just as it was "in realty," I assume that the Nebula was a "spin off" of the Galaxy class project, which the TNG tech manual suggests was a very lengthy project, so ships of both classes might've been coming off the assembly line at more or less the same time, despite the Nebula class project being started, say, 10 or more years after the Galaxy class project started.
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Old July 4 2012, 02:52 PM   #3
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Re: What Came First...

The nebula condensed into the galaxy.



But seriously folks, I imagine the Galaxy came first, then the idea for the spinoff, compact version came later.
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Old July 4 2012, 04:02 PM   #4
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Re: What Came First...

It really isn't that much more compact though - the only thing different from a Galaxy is the dorsal section. You'd save practically nothing in terms of construction, the humongous saucer is still there.
So, what is the point of the Nebula design exactly?
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Old July 4 2012, 04:16 PM   #5
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Re: What Came First...

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It really isn't that much more compact though - the only thing different from a Galaxy is the dorsal section. You'd save practically nothing in terms of construction, the humongous saucer is still there.
So, what is the point of the Nebula design exactly?
Perhaps the design changes allow the Nebulas to mount a mission pod.
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Old July 4 2012, 07:05 PM   #6
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It really isn't that much more compact though - the only thing different from a Galaxy is the dorsal section. You'd save practically nothing in terms of construction, the humongous saucer is still there.
So, what is the point of the Nebula design exactly?
That's so true with many of the kitbash variety of ships (maybe not so much with the Galaxy/Nebula).

When a new vessel is simply a re-arrangement of saucer and nacelles and such, what is the point? And yeah, I know a few kitbashes are really kewl and I do like 'em, but in-universe, they seem to be the same as some other existing ship. So why?

Oh yeah... my vote is for Nebula after the Galaxy. No particular reason, I suppose, no facts to back my decision. However... in early TNG Picard speaks a few times with awe about this wonderous new Galaxy class ship. Why would he feel that way if it is essentially cobbled together from a pre-existing Nebula style ship?
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Old July 5 2012, 01:20 AM   #7
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Re: What Came First...

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It really isn't that much more compact though - the only thing different from a Galaxy is the dorsal section. You'd save practically nothing in terms of construction, the humongous saucer is still there.
So, what is the point of the Nebula design exactly?
To supplement the Galaxy-class, IMO. There have been different versions of the dorsal pod on the Nebula-class (some have been triangular, while others have been circular) which could represent different functions--one version of the pod could be a weapons platform while another could be a sensor platform. This could enable the Nebula-class to perhaps serve as a more specific-mission version of the more multi-mission Galaxy-class maybe.

As to the OP, I've favored an idea that the two designs were started simultaneously, but the Nebula-class entered service earlier. Lessons learned from the Nebula-class were incorporated into the Galaxy-class, enabling the latter to be a more refined design in the end.
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Old July 5 2012, 05:35 AM   #8
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Re: What Came First...

Of course, all this begs the question about all the other Galaxy kitbashes, like the New Orleans, Freedom, Cheyenne, Springfield, and Niagara classes. Their components may not be the same scale as the Galaxy, but they share similar features.
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Old July 5 2012, 01:24 PM   #9
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Old July 5 2012, 07:48 PM   #10
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I'd go with Galaxy then Nebula.
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Old July 5 2012, 10:01 PM   #11
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Re: What Came First...

The chicken.
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Old July 6 2012, 05:44 AM   #12
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Re: What Came First...

When I did a USS Nebula kitbash many years ago, I found that the (conjectural?) registry numbers of many "other" Nebula class ships were earlier than that of the USS Galaxy and most of her class.

From Memory Alpha:

Named Galaxy Class Ships-
Named Nebulas Class Ships-
I always saw the Nebula to Galaxy as akin to Miranda to Constitution. Different needs meant different configuration.

So maybe they had no consideration as to registry numbers having that kind of meaning.
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Old July 7 2012, 09:08 PM   #13
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Re: What Came First...

The Nebula came first in regards to registry numbers.

I like to think of the Galaxy/Nebula as being a joint project of sorts. The Galaxy was the luxury ship while the Nebula was the workhorse. The Galaxy had EVERYTHING while the Nebula was built with less but more customizable with the mission pod. This allowed the Nebula to be the first off the production line. The Nebula probably also, initially, used older technology while the Galaxy was given state of the art everything.

One thing that always amused me was the Nebula class bridges being hilariously pathetic when compared to the Galaxy. You'd think both bridges would be similar.
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Old July 7 2012, 10:05 PM   #14
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Utopianvista wrote: View Post
One thing that always amused me was the Nebula class bridges being hilariously pathetic when compared to the Galaxy. You'd think both bridges would be similar.
Bridge modules may vary not only from design to design but also between ships of the same design. Both the Prometheus (pre-VOY) and the Sutherland had very different bridge layouts, even though they were both Nebula-class. While neither bridge were as big as the Enterprise's, both still seemed to have aft hallways that led to other areas on deck one.
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Old July 7 2012, 10:11 PM   #15
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Re: What Came First...

To be sure, the Sutherland was said to be in the middle of repairs, with several decks actually uninhabitable. What we saw need not have been the primary or even the secondary bridge - we could have been watching a circuit breaker room with the capacity of acting as the bridge if the seven better alternatives were all unavailable.

Since so many ships seem to have counterparts with simply the nacelles flipped (and sometimes the secondary hull removed, but not always), it would seem logical to assume that it makes a world of difference in warp performance whether the nacelles are hugging close to the saucer or rigged farther out (the up/down issue would no doubt be secondary to the mounting distance). One configuration is better at something (say, top speed) the other at something else (say, cruise economy).

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