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Old January 19 2014, 10:32 PM   #241
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Heather wasn't Hudson's secretary, she was his ex-boss's secretary.

Regarding Pym's role, one angle from the comics that could make him the antagonist is that the size-changing was supposed to have affected his physical and mental health, IIRC. What I'm imagining is that Douglass's Pym could have used his powers as a SHIELD operative back in the day but was forced to give them up because of these concerns. When some new young guy gets ahold of his formula and starts using it, the unstable part of Pym's psyche manifests in the form of resentment / jealous rage. Janet could play into this too if she's Pym's wife and closer to Lang's age.
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Old January 19 2014, 10:32 PM   #242
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I'm wondering that. If not the bad guy than a flawed person who acts as the antagonist. I'm hoping he isn't completely bad because I wouldn't mind a one shot prequel or flash back in another show with him working with SHIELD.

Does Ant-Man have any good villains?
Egghead is your mad-scientist type.

Wirlwind was in love with Jan and constantly tried to kill Hank just to open up her dance card. He went so far as to go deep under cover as the "Pyms" chauffeur or a year.

Oh.

Yeah.

Ultron.
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Old January 19 2014, 10:53 PM   #243
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Elihas Starr AKA "Egghead" was the classic Mad Scientist. One of his stunts even cost a niece her arm.

Whirlwind, Dave Cannon, was a classic stalker targeting Janet.
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Old January 21 2014, 07:49 PM   #244
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Does Ant-Man have any good villains?
I can't think of a single name villain. I haven't read the MMW Ant-Man/Giant Man in a number of years. My main recollection was that his foes were generic mad scientists and government operatives.

He never had his own ongoing solo to really build a rogues gallery. Ultron is the main antagonist he created for himself and that's being co-opted.
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Old January 21 2014, 07:55 PM   #245
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Yeah, I saw a rumored plot:



On a side note, I know they're doing a rewrite right now to make the movie fit in better with the MCU, but if that rumor is correct, I think it would be an easy change.
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Old January 21 2014, 09:45 PM   #246
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Egghead wasn't so much the classic mad scientist as a derivative one...a poor man's Sivana/Luthor.

Alidar, if that rumor is correct...
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Old January 21 2014, 10:07 PM   #247
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Does Ant-Man have any good villains?
Iron Man's villains are nearly completely unknown to the public, didn't stop his movies from being monster hits.

Of course that just means it has become much more important to find the right actor to bring your superhero to life if you aren't going to sell you movie on the strength of the villains.
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Old January 21 2014, 10:13 PM   #248
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Pym, as the saying goes, has always been his own worst enemy.

However, a quick look at Pym's entry at the Marvel Database refers to the following rogues...

Afterwards, in the guise of the Ant-Man, Pym battled various menaces, including Comrade X, the Protector, the criminal scientist Elihas "Egghead" Starr, who was to become Pym's greatest enemy, as well as the Scarlet Beetle, the Hijacker, the alien Kulla, the Voice and the Time Master.
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Pym and van Dyne became crime-fighting partners in their costumed identities, fighting menaces like the Egghead, the A-Chiltarians and their robot Cyclops, the trumpet-playing criminal Trago, the Porcupine, the Human Top and the Black Knight (Nathan Garrett).
Note: The "Human Top" was Whirlwind's first code-name.
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Old January 21 2014, 10:19 PM   #249
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^ Out of those, who would you pick?

The Old Mixer, that would be fun. However, going by rumors, Michael Pena is going to be in it.

That being said,
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Old January 22 2014, 12:20 AM   #250
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^ Out of those, who would you pick?
Probably Egghead. Porcupine and Whirlwind would make good henchmen.

Black Knight could be interesting.

The rest aren't really worth mentioning on any level.
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Old January 22 2014, 12:36 AM   #251
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Looking up the characters, all of them seem dumb.
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Old January 22 2014, 12:42 AM   #252
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Yeah, Pym himself recently said something along the lines of "I had some really weird villains back in the day".

That said, I maintain that a good story could be crafted around the villainy of Elias Starr/Egghead, a cackling mad-scientist if there ever was one. If the movie includes Wasp, then Dave Cannon/Whirlwind makes a good B-villain. Porcupine... yeah, a good henchman.
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Old January 22 2014, 12:54 AM   #253
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Trago the trumpet-player could totally...

oh, I can't even go though with this joke.
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Bread crumbs.

The only reason to have this movie is to set up Age of Ultron by creating baby Ultron Mark I.

Of course this is probably expected to come out after Avengers II.
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Old January 22 2014, 01:27 AM   #255
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It's the next movie after Avengers and Ultron is said to have nothing to do with Pym. The reason to do the movie is because it's apparently a fun script they've been trying to do for awhile (even before Iron Man). I do hope Ant-Man is in Avengers 3 and I could see a younger Pym in Agent Carter (just when is that show going to air? I can see lots of tie-in potential). But I have no problem with actually trying to make Ant Man stand on his own.
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