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Old January 16 2014, 01:33 AM   #211
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No. Janet was always much younger than Hank. this is her very first appearance ever...

http://comicsriot.com/post/212117070...the-first-time
But how much younger? 5 years? 10 years? The art doesn't make her look like a woman just out of puberty.
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Old January 16 2014, 01:46 AM   #212
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The art doesn't make her look like a woman just out of puberty.
But Hank's thought bubble does. "She's not much more than a child."
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Old January 16 2014, 01:52 AM   #213
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The art doesn't make her look like a woman just out of puberty.
But Hank's thought bubble does. "She's not much more than a child."
A lot of people who are simply a few years older have that attitude towards "younger" people.
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Old January 16 2014, 01:55 AM   #214
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In the 60s, using hindsight, or maybe you were there, what did you think the age difference between Hank and Jan was?
I was in the single digits. They were both old/adults. Even in the 70s they were both old/adults. Somewhere along the line some writer or editor began over thinking things and Hank became an older man and Jan became a sweet young thing. Same thing happened with Reed and Sue. Though in that case the "evidence" is more compelling.
Reed Richards had a major touch of grey from the get-go, which was well before he and Sue got married and before Franklin was born. Is this what you mean?
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Old January 16 2014, 02:18 AM   #215
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The art doesn't make her look like a woman just out of puberty.
But Hank's thought bubble does. "She's not much more than a child."
A lot of people who are simply a few years older have that attitude towards "younger" people.
Eh, I've never really seen that. To me, comments like that are about someone in their early 20s and they aren't made by people in their early 20s. I'm not saying she's 14, but it's probably something like him being 40 and she being 20 rather than him being 35 and she being 29.
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Old January 16 2014, 02:37 AM   #216
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In the 60s, using hindsight, or maybe you were there, what did you think the age difference between Hank and Jan was?
I was in the single digits. They were both old/adults. Even in the 70s they were both old/adults. Somewhere along the line some writer or editor began over thinking things and Hank became an older man and Jan became a sweet young thing. Same thing happened with Reed and Sue. Though in that case the "evidence" is more compelling.
Reed Richards had a major touch of grey from the get-go, which was well before he and Sue got married and before Franklin was born. Is this what you mean?
That and the fact Reed fought in WWII, which ended about 16 years before FF#1 came out. So at best Reed would have to be 34 when he got his powers. He was probably older though. (Even with taking WWII out of the equation)Hard to say how old Sue was. Johnny was 16, Sue could be 10 years older than Johnny or just a couple.

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Eh, I've never really seen that. To me, comments like that are about someone in their early 20s and they aren't made by people in their early 20s. I'm not saying she's 14, but it's probably something like him being 40 and she being 20 rather than him being 35 and she being 29.
I'm thing more of a 10 year gap. Hank being thirtyish and Jan being in her early twenties, but coming across as younger because she petite and ditsy.
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Old January 16 2014, 02:39 AM   #217
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Anyway, given that it's charitably ambiguous and later comics have made the age gap more explicit, it's not unreasonable to think the movies would have an age gap.
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i think the Byrne era established that Reed was in college when he met a 12 year old Sue, who developed a crush on him.
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Old January 16 2014, 03:19 AM   #219
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True. That history has been recently Orwelled, and the letters column addressed the fact that Byrne is skeevy and they needed to ignore that that issue ever happened, and no one should say that they are ignorant, just tasteful.
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Old January 16 2014, 06:17 AM   #220
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True. That history has been recently Orwelled, and the letters column addressed the fact that Byrne is skeevy and they needed to ignore that that issue ever happened, and no one should say that they are ignorant, just tasteful.
Apparently Kyra Sedgwick first fell in love with her future husband, Kevin Bacon when she was 12. (Bacon mentioned this on the Late Show with Craig Ferguson a couple of nights ago.)

How old was Joan Lee when Stan met her? He seems to have a thing for young women falling for older men:

Reed and Sue.

Hank and Jan.

Prof. X and Jean Grey (for a brief second)

And possibly Betty and Bruce. It seems Betty was just out of boarding school when she fell for Dr. Banner.

Steve Rogers and Sharon Carter might qualify too, ( plus the added factor of her looking like his lost love and her older sister)
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Old January 16 2014, 07:35 AM   #221
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May-September romances and relationships were fairly common in American culture at the time period when the comics came out. Usually that resulted in young women just becoming adults (18, 19, 20) and marrying an older man who might be 40 and established and able to provide for a family.

There were quite a few of these in my hometown. That changed during the sexual revolution of the seventies. All along women had dated and fallen in love with young men, but often ended up discarding them for someone more mature. However with the sexual revolution, people often discounted the advice of their parents and married for love and based upon sexual compatibility.

That practice has continued in Hollywood, far overshadowing reality, with lots of married on screen couples showing a significant age gap. Of course the other was considered improbable even foolish up until the mid-nineties when films like The White Palace came out.

Having Michael Douglass play Pym doesn't make much sense as it really limits the story and makes casting more difficult.

Once comic books were counter-culture or they were strictly juvenile popular culture. Because the demographic in the beginning was 25-35 year old men for the comic based films, then you'd expect to see wish fulfillment for those folks. Now the same people are attending, plus their older fathers who originally read comics like Antman. A good portion of comic readers are women today. I believe sometimes approaching 25%.

Since so many have been made, and are pretty guaranteed of success based upon drawing the same folks each time, then more and more mainstream actors are willing to do a blockbuster and then have more economic freedom to do other things like Wonder Boys or even independent films like Solitary Man.

One would hope though that they'd cast someone younger...a lot younger than 69. Otherwise he'll be perpetually show musing and having flashbacks about his younger self fighting crime.
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A 19 year old is still a child, it's just their parents are sick of them and the government wants to send them to war, so we pretend that they are mature.
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Old January 16 2014, 11:29 AM   #223
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A 19 year old is still a child, it's just their parents are sick of them and the government wants to send them to war, so we pretend that they are mature.
Actually this is a modern invention that people magically become adults at age X.

For much of human history, young people were adults as early as age 13. In fact it was fairly common for two young people to be married by 15. It's just that with public education things changed and teenagers became a phenomena. Prior to public education in America people likely married and stayed with their parents because they couldn't afford a home, and they inherited a home over time. Otherwise a few homesteaded and so gained property and often at very young ages.

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Prior to the Vietnam War, the average age of an American soldier was ~25-26. The big deal with Vietnam and subsequent wars was the lowering of that standard.
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Old January 16 2014, 04:56 PM   #224
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I think we may be trying too hard to make the movie conform to the comic-book continuity. If Douglas is playing Pym, it's likely that, for the purposes of this movie, "Ant-Man and the Wasp" were never a thing in the Marvel Movie Universe. Chances are, Pym is now just the brilliant scientist who invents the shrinking technology and did not have any sort of prior career as a superhero or Avenger.

And if Rashida Jones is indeed playing the Wasp, she's probably going to be Paul Rudd's love interest, not Michael Douglas's. Never mind who she was married to in the comics.
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^I'd say you're right Greg
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