Star Wars The Clone Wars Season Five News and Discussion

[DarKush]

JD wrote:

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I'd prefer to have Obi-Wan kill Maul (again) myself.

That would be fitting, though I would love to see Anakin v. Maul, just full out. If what others are suggesting comes true, Anakin avenging Ashoka's murder would be awesome and we could really see a big dark side outburst.

Obi killing Maul just feels too much like him getting revenge.

[JD]

But what would make Anakin killing him after he killed Ahsoka different? At this point Maul has taken more from Obi-Wan, so if anyone deserves to get revenge it's him.

[Christopher]

I still say that the fact that everyone expects Ahsoka to die is the best reason for the show's creators not to kill her. Why settle for being predictable?

[Mr. Adventure]

Christopher wrote:

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I still say that the fact that everyone expects Ahsoka to die is the best reason for the show's creators not to kill her. Why settle for being predictable?

Because then we're left with the crap from the movies which seems which doesn't seem right for CW Anakin. I mean they could kill Obi-Wan instead if they don't want to be predictable but that might rub people the wrong way.

EDIT: Sorry about that last line, unnecessarily snippy. I just can't think of anything that would be more reasonable to push Anakin over the edge. He is obviously very protective of his padawan and I can't imagine anything that would be as affecting.

[Set Harth]

But Anakin isn't required to be pushed over the edge at this point. We already did that in AOTC. We don't need to keep repeating that over and over. His turn in ROTS is motivated by Padme and events that transpire in that film. People seem to want to rewrite what went on in ROTS into a different kind of dark side turn, spread out and born of incremental continually-spaced dark side rage episodes.

[Mr. Adventure]

It's true, when I watch Clone Wars I just can't picture Anakin doing what he did in ROTS based solely on the events as presented.

EDIT: Meant ROTS not AOTC

[Christopher]

Mr. Adventure wrote:

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I just can't think of anything that would be more reasonable to push Anakin over the edge. He is obviously very protective of his padawan and I can't imagine anything that would be as affecting.

Umm... don't you think the death of his wife would affect him even more?

I mean, we've already seen what pushed him over the edge. And we've seen that at the start of ROTS, he wasn't yet over the edge, just close to it. And we were clearly shown how the events of that film led to his ultimate fall. For all the prequel trilogy's problems, it did, I feel, satisfactorily explain and depict Anakin's descent. Frankly, I think giving him another great, tragic loss just before ROTS would be inconsistent with his canonical portrayal.

[Mr. Adventure]

Christopher wrote:

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Umm... don't you think the death of his wife would affect him even more?

To natural causes (in a dream....), no, didn't do much for me. Like I say I especially can't see CW Anakin crumbling for that.


I realize I'm doing that annoying thing of trying to rewrite what's out there. I just really dislike how that played out in the movies.

[ryan123450]

JD wrote:

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But what would make Anakin killing him after he killed Ahsoka different? At this point Maul has taken more from Obi-Wan, so if anyone deserves to get revenge it's him.

Obi-Wan shouldn't actually act on his need for revenge. But it would be in Anakin's nature to do so.

[Mr. Adventure]

ryan123450 wrote:

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Obi-Wan shouldn't actually act on his need for revenge. But it would be in Anakin's nature to do so.

Obi-Wan did seem to handle the event in a very Jedi-like manner.

[DarKush]

JD wrote:

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But what would make Anakin killing him after he killed Ahsoka different? At this point Maul has taken more from Obi-Wan, so if anyone deserves to get revenge it's him.

Because revenge is not the Jedi way. It's one of the reasons Lucas wisely chose to rename Episode VI from Revenge of the Jedi to Return of the Jedi.

I could see Obi fighting Maul and ultimately taking him into custody or Maul somehow dies of his own accord, but the idea of Obi killing Maul in revenge for Satine doesn't feel right. Plus it goes against the whole Jedi detachment thing.

Anakin killing Maul makes more sense, especially if Ashoka is his victim, because we have seen Anakin kill in anger over a loved one before and we know what his attachment to Padme will lead to in Episode 3. Anakin taking revenge just puts him one step closer to a complete embrace of the dark side.

Plus it would might answer some of those Vader v. Maul debates.

[Mr Light]

I don't see Ahsoka dying immediately before SITH, because then it raises the question of why no-one mentions her during the entire movie. Why doesn't anybody say "Anakin, you're acting out of grief over Ahsoka!"? Plus at the opening of SITH Anakin is pretty chummy with Obi-Wan, not sullen and dark.

[DarKush]

Christopher wrote:

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Umm... don't you think the death of his wife would affect him even more?

I mean, we've already seen what pushed him over the edge. And we've seen that at the start of ROTS, he wasn't yet over the edge, just close to it. And we were clearly shown how the events of that film led to his ultimate fall. For all the prequel trilogy's problems, it did, I feel, satisfactorily explain and depict Anakin's descent. Frankly, I think giving him another great, tragic loss just before ROTS would be inconsistent with his canonical portrayal.

I actually don't think the prequels did a good job explaining Anakin's fall. Granted, we were shown how the events of the films led to his fall, though some of the decisions made didn't feel organic to me. It felt a bit herky jerky. That being said, I don't see how Ashoka's death would be inconsistent with his canonical portrayal, outside of Ashoka not being mentioned.

Even if she survives the series, the fact or problem that she isn't mentioned remains. We saw in Episode 2 how Anakin could rebound from a major dark side outburst so I don't see why the same couldn't be done here, with Anakin flipping out over Ashoka's death, but getting it together enough to be the guy he was at the start of ROTS. But even that guy was on the edge, questioning right or wrong, his moral compass skewed. Perhaps Ashoka's death is the thing that makes him more willing to off Dooku?

[billcosby]

What an excellent end to a highly entertaining arc. I re-watched it from last season's "Nightsisters" and altogether the 8 episodes are probably the highlight of the series so far for me, anyway. Even though there is very little Jedi in them... yes I did enjoy the silly 'magic' of Dathomir. Everything involving the Mandalorians was excellent as well. To finally see them come to screen canon in such a manner was beyond my expectations.

But to see Sidious instead of Palpatine for a change of pace was incredible! Has he been seen in The Clone Wars in any episodes prior? I can't recall, but certainly not with his lightsaber.

About the ongoing discussion of Ahsoka's fate (as well as Maul's) it makes me wonder if The Clone Wars production team have had any knowledge of the upcoming Star Wars prequel trilogy during this season, last season, even earlier? Would it be much of a stretch to see Ahsoka in episode 7 and beyond? She'd be old, sure, but maybe her race doesn't age quickly. It just seems like she's becoming more of a central character of this show and probably has lots of young fans... I can't imagine the people behind the new films haven't considered using her in some capacity. We'll likely get Boba Fett out of the Almighty Sarlacc pit as well... everyone (even Lucas) admits it was a shitty way to go out.

Maul, I firmly believe, won't last. The status quo will remain: Obi Wan will kill him, probably in a huge explosion so he won't sew himself back together with spider legs again. It wouldn't be right for Anakin to off him.

I do like where this discussion is leading with Akanin... Ahsoka could survive and it may seem to him like she's dead. But then how will this show end and stitch into ROTS? Will the story lead up to the opening of ROTS? It's not necessary.

I was loving when Sidious came in on the Super Maul Bros. because I knew he was sensing them as threats... Maul was so satisfied with himself for getting the revenge that he loves so much. I wonder... if Luke had agreed to join the dark side in ROTJ, would Sidious have had a similar show down with Vader? 'You've been replaced, etc'

The conversation between Obi Wan and Maul was excellent as well. They never traded words in TPM, did they? Obi Wan tries to appeal to him with a rational argument, 'I've been to your village, I know the dark side was a choice forced upon you, etc.'

As for the begging, although it did seem out of place I need to see it again.

[Mr Light]

When Maul is finally killed, I want to see Anakin/Obi-Wan slice up the corpse (off-panel) into a dozen pieces and say "just to be sure"