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Old January 14 2014, 04:08 PM   #571
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Lords are elected government representatives.
Elected by whom?
I thought recent reforms were meant to allow for it rather than the old system of buying themlseves in. Sorry, being awarded it.
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Old January 14 2014, 06:54 PM   #572
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I think most of them are still hereditary titles...which in a bizarre way I feel sort of works better than them being elected or "appointed". I mean I like the idea of a (more or less) politically neutral body who are not beholden to financial contributors or their local electorate being able to check career politicians from pushing through something monumentality stupid on behalf of the country as a whole. I'm not saying it's perfect or immune to corruption--name *one* power structure that is!--or that I like the idea of a bunch old crusty blue blooded relics having that kind of authority...but it mostly seems to work. Buggered if I know why. We also manage to get on without an official constitution.

Anyway, you lot do realise that this discussion has been spun off a straw-man argument, yes? I said "old fashioned ideals", not "old fashioned *American* ideals because-British-ideals-are-better-and-also-Cap-is-a-racist-who-kicks-puppies". I was talking about old fashioned in a very general, non-specific way. I mean I know you lot were isolationist back then but you weren't *that* bloody culturally unique!

I think I also used the word "allegory" in there to, which for those with smaller vocabularies, or just like to skim posts, means I was talking about the symbolism of Cap changing back into his old uniform.
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Old January 14 2014, 10:10 PM   #573
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I think most of them are still hereditary titles.
Not quite. The House of Lords now consists of three groups (well, two groups, one of which is two sub-groups:

1. The Lords Spiritual -- basically, the 26 senior clergy of the Church of England. These days they typically don't get too involved in government business.
2. The Lords Temporal -- a theoretically unlimited number of non-clergy peers, consisting in turn of:
(a) 92 spots elected from the hereditary peerage. There are something like 800 hereditary dukes, marquesses, earls, viscounts, and barons at present (no new such titles have been created for non-members of the royal family since the early 1960s, apart from two in the Thatcher years), and those guys vote on their representatives. Those elections are for life, so after the initial 92 were voted in in 1999, new elections are held whenever somebody dies.
(b) An unlimited number of life peers, appointed by the Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister. Their titles are non-hereditary, and thus die with them.
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Old January 14 2014, 10:55 PM   #574
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We getting a Super Bowl spot or what?
What's the post credit scene going to be, tie to?

Discuss.
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Old January 14 2014, 11:05 PM   #575
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I think that the post-credits scene will tie into "Age of Ultron". I would squee like a fan-boy if it ended with a call of "Avengers Assemble".
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Old January 15 2014, 01:11 AM   #576
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That does seem like the most likely post-credits scene.
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Old January 15 2014, 01:25 AM   #577
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WTF??!!!

Has anybody heard about this?
http://www.classicalite.com/articles...rica-death.htm
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Old January 15 2014, 02:55 AM   #578
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It happened in the comics. He got better.
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Old January 15 2014, 03:29 AM   #579
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^At least twice, in fact, if we count his stint in the ice.
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Old January 15 2014, 03:58 AM   #580
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No need to panic it's just a rumour and yes, anyone who knows comics should know that major characters rarely stay dead for long.

Anyway, IF they do kill him off in CA2, I'd bet good money the post-credit scene for Avengers 2 or Ant-Man would tease his return. Marvel has this hype building thing down to a science by now.
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Old January 15 2014, 04:04 AM   #581
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I would be shocked if they didn't want him in Avengers 2, so I can't imagine killing him off. Universe plot demands require them not to do so regardless of what an individual movie might want to do.
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Old January 15 2014, 04:15 AM   #582
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They'll resurrect him with the same tech/magic they used on Coulson!
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Old January 15 2014, 06:51 PM   #583
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Winter Soldier took over for a while so they might run with that plot depending on how the sequel runs. Personally the John Walker version of Cap no more was more fun, not least because I really enjoyed the Captain running around with his merry crew of Nomad, Falcon, Demolition Man, Vagabond, and Diamondback - sort of low power Avengers. Even Widow, Hawkeye, and Mockingbird would fit right in.
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Old January 15 2014, 07:38 PM   #584
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Speaking of John Walker, do you think that he might get introduced for a movie version of "Cap No More!"?
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Old January 16 2014, 03:41 AM   #585
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I'm a fan of US Agent and would be delighted to have Walker show up. Of course depending on how the Cap2 film unfolds we are likely to have our Iron Patriot in this series in the form of Bucky Barnes as Cap.

Still hoping that we get Beta Ray Bill as the Iron Patriot of the Thor solo film saga.
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