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Old September 17 2013, 03:32 AM   #76
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Re: The Legend of Korra - Book Two: Spirits

Just finished watching the premiere.

Excellent!

This is a great series, IMHO. And the first chapter did not disappoint.

Korra is so different than Ang. It's very interesting to see her progression.

Uncle's got something bad going on.

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Old September 17 2013, 05:16 AM   #77
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I don't see how he can be blamed for the policies of his predecessors in the chieftainship.
Agreed, yeah. I don't so much blame him for what wasn't done in the past as his... parochial?... attitude now. But then, snobbish likely-villain.

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I guess that's the problem... for pre-modern culture and technology, they can draw on purely Asian referents, but for modern technology, the only available historical precedents are either from the West or influenced by the West. So it's hard to keep a Western look from creeping in. Still, they did a good job with the Satomobiles, making them look like an Asian take on '20s cars (though I doubt they have very good aerodynamics).
Yeah, nothing to be done about that overall I'm afraid.

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Korra's not prone to fear or shame, and is self-assured enough that she probably doesn't feel much guilt. Lies and illusion are the problems, though; she's often been less than honest with herself about her own fears and vulnerabilities.
I'm... not so sure about her not being prone to fear or shame. As you note yourself, she's been less than honest with herself about her own fears. She's only recently stopped being a very sheltered child raised with the expectation of saving the world, and is now a very emotional and hormonal teenager. And both Amon and - especially - Tarrlok were able to use her fears and shame against her very effectively.

That said, good point about the chakra system and how it may have been fairly unique to Aang's journey.
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Old September 17 2013, 11:24 AM   #78
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I guess that's the problem... for pre-modern culture and technology, they can draw on purely Asian referents, but for modern technology, the only available historical precedents are either from the West or influenced by the West. So it's hard to keep a Western look from creeping in. Still, they did a good job with the Satomobiles, making them look like an Asian take on '20s cars (though I doubt they have very good aerodynamics).
Yeah, nothing to be done about that overall I'm afraid.
"that's the problem", "I'm afraid".
Why is a problem and worthy of regret the very limited introducing of western culture (and of the caucasian race - possibly) in "Avatar"?

Affirmative action here and there - but this is just ridiculous.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:08 AM   #79
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Because a lot of people liked the fact that it drew almost exclusively from Asian sources, and now seeing more Western influences feels like they are going against that.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:20 AM   #80
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^That's probably because most of the show has so far taken place in Republic City. That appears to be changing so the western influence should be somewhat less pronounced. Mind you, I always got the impression that the city was equal parts pre-WWI New York & Shanghai, so I don't fully subscribe to the idea that the western influence is all encompassing.
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Old September 18 2013, 03:06 AM   #81
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Because a lot of people liked the fact that it drew almost exclusively from Asian sources, and now seeing more Western influences feels like they are going against that.
Not so much a matter of liking as a matter of internal consistency. Four prior seasons have established this as a world whose cultures and ethnicities do not include anything paralleling Europe or Africa in our world. It's not impossible that they could introduce some small fringe population that resembled Europeans or Africans, but the leaders of innovation and industry we've seen in the two series have all been from the known nations, so logically anything they invented would reflect their own cultures rather than some hitherto-unknown Europe analogue.
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Old September 18 2013, 12:27 PM   #82
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If you actually look at the art design on the cars, planes, ships etc. I'd say they do indeed have a very Asian inspired flare to them. They're no more European inspired than the wooden carts and airships from the original series.
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Old September 18 2013, 01:01 PM   #83
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Very entertaining.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:46 PM   #84
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I guess that's the problem... for pre-modern culture and technology, they can draw on purely Asian referents, but for modern technology, the only available historical precedents are either from the West or influenced by the West. So it's hard to keep a Western look from creeping in. Still, they did a good job with the Satomobiles, making them look like an Asian take on '20s cars (though I doubt they have very good aerodynamics).
Yeah, nothing to be done about that overall I'm afraid.
"that's the problem", "I'm afraid".
Why is a problem and worthy of regret the very limited introducing of western culture (and of the caucasian race - possibly) in "Avatar"?

Affirmative action here and there - but this is just ridiculous.
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Because a lot of people liked the fact that it drew almost exclusively from Asian sources, and now seeing more Western influences feels like they are going against that.
So - expanding the universe of a show is a bad thing?
I disagree. I find the 'small universe syndrome' undesirable.

And the motivation given for this desire to encase the world depicted in the show, to exclude anything relating to western society and even race - self-consistency - is quite unconvincing:
The world is a large place; for example, just because the asians/europeans/etc had no idea of the civilisations existing in the Americas does not mean they did not exist.
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Old September 18 2013, 04:39 PM   #85
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As someone already said we had hicks in TLA, so it's not out of no where that there might be a red head.

And to me the show is now like the early 1920s and somehow the red head fits well.
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Old September 18 2013, 04:56 PM   #86
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As someone already said we had hicks in TLA, so it's not out of no where that there might be a red head.
Well, despite their accents, the Foggy Swamp Tribe were still designed as Asians, with names like Due, Huu, and Tho.
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Old September 18 2013, 05:06 PM   #87
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Maybe the red head was meant to be "exotic."
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Old September 19 2013, 12:17 AM   #88
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Here's a thought. Probably not what the creators intended, but it could still work. I assume their film technology is equivalent to the real world's 1920s, monochrome and silent. Maybe as part of the development of the tech, they discovered red photographs with a richer "depth" than purely black hair. In greyscale it would register as a deep grey bordering on black (hence the reason they dropped the idea of Spock being a red "Martian"; he'd appear to be wearing "black-face" on B/W TVs), but it would also have "highlights" that jet black hair might not convey on camera.

I only recently learned that Elsa Lanchester had vibrant red hair and the hairdressers for "The Bride of Frankenstein" weaved her actual hair around a wire frame to create that iconic Nefertiti silhouette. I had assumed the Bride's hair was black because that's the way it appeared on camera.

Anyway, that's my crazy a$$ "in story" theory.

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Old September 19 2013, 12:43 AM   #89
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^That's very creative. I like it.
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Old September 19 2013, 03:55 AM   #90
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I just realized something I'm not happy about. We now know that Korra's grandfather was the chief of the Northern Water Tribe, that her father was the heir apparent to the chieftainship. That means that, technically...

Korra is a princess.

That's just so... Disney. So conventional a role for a female lead in animation. Besides, being the Avatar is enough of a special/chosen role. This is just overkill.
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