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Old November 16 2013, 07:36 PM   #361
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Otherwise, my main disappointment is that Asami was left out of the climax. It's not really Team Avatar without her. She didn't even get a subplot.
This was my main disappointment as well. She sort of had a subplot at the beginning of the season with her company going under, but that was dropped around the time Mako went to prison.

I think the fact that Team Avatar was separated for most of this season really undermined the whole concept, which was admittedly intentional. Bolin even said as much to Asami. I hope that in the future seasons Asami gets more to do.
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Old November 17 2013, 12:37 AM   #362
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Apparently a challenge was issued and if it were to be met by the fans, the last two episodes would be released online.



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Old November 17 2013, 01:25 AM   #363
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Yep! And the challenge was apparently beaten pretty quickly. Maybe twelve hours was a little too much time.
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Old November 17 2013, 02:44 AM   #364
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Well, I don't think they wanted the challenge to fail. I suspect they wanted to prove that the fanbase was large and dedicated enough that they could easily make the deadline.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:48 PM   #365
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That was disappointing. Too many DBZ battles and deus ex machinas coming out of nowhere to give Korra and Unalaq more power. Very disappointing.
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Old November 17 2013, 09:57 PM   #366
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I don't think anything here was a deus ex machina. That refers to a contrived solution introduced without any setup or foundation in what's come before. I don't think that's the case. What we saw here was grounded in things that have been established going all the way back to A:TLA. Tenzin told Korra to do as the ancients did: rather than bending the elements, bend the energy within herself. That's almost a direct quote of what the Lion-Turtle said to Aang in "Sozin's Comet." The astral plane that Korra entered was the same one Aang accessed in "The Guru." And as I said, her giant astral form had a parallel in Aang's giant koi-spirit form in "The Siege of the North."
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Old November 17 2013, 10:32 PM   #367
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For the most part a very good finale.

Could have done without the more static giant battle because i loved the dynamic Korra/Unalaq battle, that would look fantastic with today's SFX effects (and get Gina Carano to play Korra, she was the inspiration after all ).

Since i'm not well versed in Avatar lore (having only catched bits and pieces of The Last Airbender) i most likely missed many allusions in the greater Avatar universe but i'm not bothered too much.

One thing though still raised questions.. what kind of power did Jinora display there? She near effortlessly hit giant Unalaq with some kind of energy and i was wondering what that was.

Another question i wondered is, and they explicitly mentioned it, where Vatu now is? Rava said she can't totally destroy the darkness as well as darkness can't destroy the light so where is the Vatu spirit?

Once Korra defeated giant Unalaq the Vatu spirit was nowhere to be seen.

Anyway.. i had hoped the Dark Avatar concept would be kept around for the time being to have an equal enemy to Korra but oh well.. let's see what they come up with for the next season.

Overall i didn't like this season as much as the first. The Spirit and real world stories just didn't flow well together and i especially disliked the real world events as they often seemed illogical, silly and downright implausible ( i know, Korra is a show airing on a children's channel) but it didn't have to be. Good writing can appeal to both kids and adults (see early Pixar movies).

However the Spirit part of the season was awesome, especially the two parter with Wan, the first Avatar. I hope they use that artstyle for the whole third season as it looked gorgeous.

Last thing.. i just absolutely adore the music of the show. I hope we get a full and extended soundtrack sometime.
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Old November 18 2013, 12:49 AM   #368
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One thing though still raised questions.. what kind of power did Jinora display there? She near effortlessly hit giant Unalaq with some kind of energy and i was wondering what that was.
Probably something that came from Raava.


Another question i wondered is, and they explicitly mentioned it, where Vatu now is? Rava said she can't totally destroy the darkness as well as darkness can't destroy the light so where is the Vatu spirit?
In the same state Raava would've been if Jinora hadn't recovered her: dissipated and neutralized for the next 10,000 years. It won't be until the next harmonic convergence that Vaatu would become active and able to challenge Raava once again. That's why they were saying there'd be 10,000 years of darkness if Vaatu won: because it'd be that long before Raava could be reborn/reconstituted and challenge Vaatu once again. Instead, it turned out the other way around, and we'll have another 10,000 years of Raava and the Avatar in charge.
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Old November 18 2013, 01:11 AM   #369
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I don't think anything here was a deus ex machina. That refers to a contrived solution introduced without any setup or foundation in what's come before. I don't think that's the case. What we saw here was grounded in things that have been established going all the way back to A:TLA. Tenzin told Korra to do as the ancients did: rather than bending the elements, bend the energy within herself. That's almost a direct quote of what the Lion-Turtle said to Aang in "Sozin's Comet." The astral plane that Korra entered was the same one Aang accessed in "The Guru." And as I said, her giant astral form had a parallel in Aang's giant koi-spirit form in "The Siege of the North."
Yeah, they played fair for the most part...though perhaps that thing with Jinora might qualify. We still don't quite understand what the hell she did.

To be fair though, this may actually be set up for her story ar in book 3. We'll see.

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That's why they were saying there'd be 10,000 years of darkness if Vaatu won: because it'd be that long before Raava could be reborn/reconstituted and challenge Vaatu once again. Instead, it turned out the other way around, and we'll have another 10,000 years of Raava and the Avatar in charge.
For me the interesting part is that the next time this happens, Vaatu will emerge from within the Avatar, once again bound to Raava.

I know the likelihood of them doing anything with that concept is slim, but I can't help wonder what would happen to an Avatar with both those cosmic spirits within them...also, what the world would look like after another 10,000 years. Would living with the spirits make humans regress, or would they continue to develop their technology?

I suddenly have a mental image of a universe that looks like 'Dune' crossed with 'Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within' and 'Bausicaa of the Valley of the Wind'.
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Old November 18 2013, 02:39 AM   #370
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I don't think anything here was a deus ex machina. That refers to a contrived solution introduced without any setup or foundation in what's come before. I don't think that's the case. What we saw here was grounded in things that have been established going all the way back to A:TLA. Tenzin told Korra to do as the ancients did: rather than bending the elements, bend the energy within herself. That's almost a direct quote of what the Lion-Turtle said to Aang in "Sozin's Comet." The astral plane that Korra entered was the same one Aang accessed in "The Guru." And as I said, her giant astral form had a parallel in Aang's giant koi-spirit form in "The Siege of the North."
Yeah, they played fair for the most part...though perhaps that thing with Jinora might qualify. We still don't quite understand what the hell she did.

To be fair though, this may actually be set up for her story ar in book 3. We'll see.

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That's why they were saying there'd be 10,000 years of darkness if Vaatu won: because it'd be that long before Raava could be reborn/reconstituted and challenge Vaatu once again. Instead, it turned out the other way around, and we'll have another 10,000 years of Raava and the Avatar in charge.
For me the interesting part is that the next time this happens, Vaatu will emerge from within the Avatar, once again bound to Raava.

I know the likelihood of them doing anything with that concept is slim, but I can't help wonder what would happen to an Avatar with both those cosmic spirits within them...also, what the world would look like after another 10,000 years. Would living with the spirits make humans regress, or would they continue to develop their technology?

I suddenly have a mental image of a universe that looks like 'Dune' crossed with 'Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within' and 'Bausicaa of the Valley of the Wind'.
Would the Avatar that exists 10,000 years in the future even be from Earth at all?

After the technological advancements seen in the past 70 years after the end of the 100 Years War, the 10,000 year time frame becomes more science fiction and less fantasy steampunk.



I wonder, even though Korra lost her connection to the previous Avatars from the First Cycle, could their individual spirits still exist within the Spirit World? Or did the destruction of Raava also destroy their spirits? It is unclear whether or not the past Avatar's human spirits exist in the Spirit World or only within Raava herself. The comics do mention Kuruk attempting to get revenge of Koh even after his death.
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Old November 18 2013, 02:49 AM   #371
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A lot is changing in the world of Avatar. Amon's movement to take away bending, technological advancement, the end/beginning of a new cycle, spirits living among humans again and Korra saying that there's a shift in the world's energy. And that's just in the first two books. This show seems to be all about shaking things up so I can't help but wonder if this new 10,000 year cycle will be shaken up again before the show is done.
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I don't think anything here was a deus ex machina. That refers to a contrived solution introduced without any setup or foundation in what's come before.
Vaatu's prison was, very conveniently for Korra, a magical tree that turns you into a super powered giant if you meditate inside it.

Also, Jinora's magical powers that saved Korra in the end. Yes, we know she has a strong connection to the spirits, but that does not explain her powers.
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Old November 18 2013, 03:06 AM   #373
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Yeah, they played fair for the most part...though perhaps that thing with Jinora might qualify. We still don't quite understand what the hell she did.
But that wasn't a deus ex machina, because even while it wasn't fully explained, it was seeded from nearly the beginning of the season that Jinora had special spiritual abilities.


...also, what the world would look like after another 10,000 years. Would living with the spirits make humans regress, or would they continue to develop their technology?
I see no reason why it would bring a regression. I mean, I doubt that spirits would fill the same roles that technology fills. They wouldn't sit in your living room and broadcast radio to you. They wouldn't let you ride them around town like you can in a car. They're just a new constituent of the world's population. Their presence might inspire whole new sciences and technologies.


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I wonder, even though Korra lost her connection to the previous Avatars from the First Cycle, could their individual spirits still exist within the Spirit World? Or did the destruction of Raava also destroy their spirits? It is unclear whether or not the past Avatar's human spirits exist in the Spirit World or only within Raava herself. The comics do mention Kuruk attempting to get revenge of Koh even after his death.
The dialogue only suggested that the connection was severed. Although if Korra could just cross into the Spirit World and talk to them there, that would negate the whole point of that change, I think. Maybe they still exist somewhere, but not necessarily there. The SW didn't seem to be just the afterlife; Iroh was there specifically because he chose to cross to the SW before his bodily death, and Zhao was presumably there because the spirit that took him brought him there.


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I don't think anything here was a deus ex machina. That refers to a contrived solution introduced without any setup or foundation in what's come before.
Vaatu's prison was, very conveniently for Korra, a magical tree that turns you into a super powered giant if you meditate inside it.
What really mattered there was the character arc -- Tenzin persuading Korra that what mattered was who she was, her own inner strength, rather than the Avatar powers that came from Raava. Just as Wan became the first Avatar because of his own personal heroism, so Korra could achieve the same. The tree wouldn't have allowed just anyone to astrally project a giant spirit form; it was just the catalyst for Korra achieving that herself. The external stuff with the tree and the battle was just symbolizing that character and thematic resolution.

Granted, it would've been nice if the significance of the tree had been seeded earlier, but that's superficial. The more fundamental resolution came from the emotional and thematic arcs coming to a climax, so it didn't feel to me like it came out of nowhere.
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Old November 18 2013, 03:09 AM   #374
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Some of these spirits are dangerous. Just think... Koh the Face-Stealer may now be on the loose.
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Some of these spirits are dangerous.
All the more reason why their presence will probably promote new technology -- such as defenses against dangerous spirits.

Hmm... like, say, maybe something using proton streams to capture them and direct them into some kind of trap...?
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