The Walking Dead Season 3

[Gotham Central]

wissaboo wrote:

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he wasn't a character in the comics he was created for the show. But he's been so popular he's being introduced into the comics.

I still don't understand WHY he was created for the show . There was a perfectly good character in the comics that filled that role and we would not have to suffer through the embarrassment of "T-dog" (god why!!!!). I wonder who Michonne will end up with since T-dog (REALLY GOD WHY!!!!) just ain't significant enough for her.

[Gotham Central]

Dorian Thompson wrote:

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Oh no no no no.....they're not dumb enough to get rid of Darrell. Darrell rocks, and I suspect TPTB have picked up on that fact. Rick and Darrell are headed for bromance city. I've never read the comics, but I suspect he'll be like a lieutenant to Rick and be the friend Shane never was. Hell, he's definitely not in love with Olive Oyl, so the bromance should be smooth sailing.

Not if you know who shows up

[sojourner]

Well, the preview does show T-Dog with his head in someone's lap. Looks like he gets friendly with someone to me.

[Sindatur]

sojourner wrote:

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Well, the preview does show T-Dog with his head in someone's lap. Looks like he gets friendly with someone to me.

Please tell me his body is not attached and there's bloody entrails hanging out of the bottom of the neck

[Dream]

Sindatur wrote:

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Please tell me his body is not attached and there's bloody entrails hanging out of the bottom of the neck

Why do you guys hate T-Dog such much?

T-Dog never gets anything to do, but at least he is likable unlike that idiot, Lori.

[Dorian Thompson]

Not if you know who shows up

I suspect you know who may be a little "taken aback" by Daryl's new attitude. If I have to choose between Rick and you know who, I'll take Rick. I suspect Daryl will as well. The man ain't stupid. You know that conflict is coming. I await it eagerly.

[Sindatur]

Dream wrote:

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Why do you guys hate T-Dog such much?

T-Dog never gets anything to do, but at least he is likable unlike that idiot, Lori.

T-Dogg is just useless so far, but, I'm fine with Lori's head being in someone's lap in that manner as well

[DevilEyes]

Pauln6 wrote:

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Dear God I just sat through an episode of the Walking Dead season 2 where Lori argued with Andrea because she spent her time guarding the encampment putting more pressure on the remaining women to do the cooking and the cleaning! She even accused her to sitting and working on her tan while on guard duty! Wtf? I don't think my jaw fell open so wide since I saw Brad Pitt's abs in Thelma and Louise.

I know these characters are supposed to be hicks but really that level of sexism is lamentable in a 'modern drama without something to balance it out. They didn't even give Andrea any decent comeback about Rick clubbing her on the head and dragging her back to his cave.

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that the show has really terrible, annoying level of sexism and gender stereotyping. I just don't know if/how much of it is meant to be intentional - not just because they're hicks but because people are falling back on caveman behavior or something due to the apocalypse? In any case, that scene was rage-inducing, I was mostly indifferent to Lori before that but that's what tipped the balance for me. She's really a terribly written character.

I mean, just look at the entire Rick/Shane rivalry - it can be summed up like this:

Shane: Now that my BFF Rick is gone, I'm the only one who can take his place and protect his wife and son. They're my family now.
Lori: Oh yeah, baby, you're my big manly protector now! *they have lots of hot sex*
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Lori: Mu husband is alive! You asshole, you told me he was dead and I slept with you and this means now that I'm a bad woman who cheated on my husband - sort of (do you know what that means? Cheating wives usually end up killed in movies and shows!) - and now I feel guilty and I need someone to blame, so from now on I'm going to start treating you like shit and telling you're the lowest scum that's ever walked the Earth!
Shane: Wait! Wasn't I a good manly protector to you and your son?
Lori: Scum!
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Shane: Lori, Rick is not a good enough leader and manly protector for you and your son! I can do that so much better than him!
Lori: Shut up! No, Rick is awesome, Rick is the best, you suck!
Shane: No, Rick sucks! I'm the better leader and manly protector!

(rinse and repeat, in every single episode)

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Shane: Rick, you suck! I'm a better leader and I'm more manly and my junk is bigger, just look at those pants I'm wearing that really show off my stuff - the female viewers are certainly noticing them... No, wait, better don't, that could be seen as kinda gay. And some people could say that I'm kinda too obsessed with you and it's not about Lori and the kid at all as much as it's about you, and they could read slashy things about this, and we can't have that, since we're supposed to be so manly, 'ya know.

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Lori: This is a scene where I suddenly act like a typical "manipulative woman" and tell you that you should solve the Shane situation, hinting that you should kill him (all the while I'm stroking your chest sexily). 'Cause we all know that you're the only one that can deal with Shane, being the Man and all, so you two should settle this as Men, which we all know means fists and guns. Man up - it goes without saying that if you're not the big manly man who can put people in line, Shane can take your place, you know that?
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Rick: So, first you fucked my wife while I was gone, then you've been trying to steal my wife and son and my place as the boss of this group?
Shane: It's 'cause you're a sissy, and your wife and son need someone to protect them. I'm a much tougher and manlier than you and I can protect them better! Also, mine is bigger!
Rick: Shut up now - I'm THE BOSS and I'm the one who's going to be their only manly protector, because I'm her husband and Karl's father. They're MINE!


And so on...

[Dorian Thompson]

I would have zero problem with Lori if the narrative would acknowledge that she's a terrible person. Some women are like this. Some women need men, or think they need men and will compete with other women and cut them down to size. Not every woman is a self actualized super woman brimming with self confidence. That's not realistic.

Just acknowledge it. People would tend to revert to "caveman" survivalist behaviors. Acknowledge it. Deal with it. Argue over it in the script. The role of women in child bearing and survival of the species, would become a point of contention in such a situation, right or wrong.

[Silvercrest]

DevilEyes wrote:

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Glad I'm not the only one who feels that the show has really terrible, annoying level of sexism and gender stereotyping. I just don't know if/how much of it is meant to be intentional - not just because they're hicks but because people are falling back on caveman behavior or something due to the apocalypse? In any case, that scene was rage-inducing, I was mostly indifferent to Lori before that but that's what tipped the balance for me. She's really a terribly written character.

I mean, just look at the entire Rick/Shane rivalry - it can be summed up like this:

Shane: Now that my BFF Rick is gone, I'm the only one who can take his place and protect his wife and son. They're my family now.
Lori: Oh yeah, baby, you're my big manly protector now! *they have lots of hot sex*
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Lori: Mu husband is alive! You asshole, you told me he was dead and I slept with you and this means now that I'm a bad woman who cheated on my husband - sort of (do you know what that means? Cheating wives usually end up killed in movies and shows!) - and now I feel guilty and I need someone to blame, so from now on I'm going to start treating you like shit and telling you're the lowest scum that's ever walked the Earth!
Shane: Wait! Wasn't I a good manly protector to you and your son?
Lori: Scum!
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Shane: Lori, Rick is not a good enough leader and manly protector for you and your son! I can do that so much better than him!
Lori: Shut up! No, Rick is awesome, Rick is the best, you suck!
Shane: No, Rick sucks! I'm the better leader and manly protector!

(rinse and repeat, in every single episode)

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Shane: Rick, you suck! I'm a better leader and I'm more manly and my junk is bigger, just look at those pants I'm wearing that really show off my stuff - the female viewers are certainly noticing them... No, wait, better don't, that could be seen as kinda gay. And some people could say that I'm kinda too obsessed with you and it's not about Lori and the kid at all as much as it's about you, and they could read slashy things about this, and we can't have that, since we're supposed to be so manly, 'ya know.

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Lori: This is a scene where I suddenly act like a typical "manipulative woman" and tell you that you should solve the Shane situation, hinting that you should kill him (all the while I'm stroking your chest sexily). 'Cause we all know that you're the only one that can deal with Shane, being the Man and all, so you two should settle this as Men, which we all know means fists and guns. Man up - it goes without saying that if you're not the big manly man who can put people in line, Shane can take your place, you know that?
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Rick: So, first you fucked my wife while I was gone, then you've been trying to steal my wife and son and my place as the boss of this group?
Shane: It's 'cause you're a sissy, and your wife and son need someone to protect them. I'm a much tougher and manlier than you and I can protect them better! Also, mine is bigger!
Rick: Shut up now - I'm THE BOSS and I'm the one who's going to be their only manly protector, because I'm her husband and Karl's father. They're MINE!


And so on...

You forgot the last part.

Shane: Rick, come with me to the dark woods; I want to show you something. No really, this isn't a gay thing.
Rick: I know you want to kill me, but it's okay because I'm smarter than you. Hey, you notice we were out here for hours and we're only a hundred yards from the house? Oh, by the way... <STAB>
Shane: Brrrains!
Rick: I thought I was smarter than this. Carl, help!
Carl: Good thing I sneaked out again. <BLAM>

[Dorian Thompson]

Shane would have voted for Mitt Romney and been enthralled by Rush Limbaugh. Then again, so would Lori. He should have dragged her off into the woods by her hair and freed up Rick to hook up with Andrea.

[Pauln6]

DevilEyes wrote:

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Glad I'm not the only one who feels that the show has really terrible, annoying level of sexism and gender stereotyping. I just don't know if/how much of it is meant to be intentional - not just because they're hicks but because people are falling back on caveman behavior or something due to the apocalypse? In any case, that scene was rage-inducing, I was mostly indifferent to Lori before that but that's what tipped the balance for me. She's really a terribly written character.

In fairness, it isn't just gender stereotyping. They are very much heading towards a Lord of the Flies vibe here with the Dale being cast in the role of Piggy. Morally upright liberals are being portrayed as weak zombie/marauder fodder. There are probably only 4 characters I actually cared about and one of them died this week.

Andrea is quite a hard character to get a handle on. I want to like her but she's just not that likeable. Daryl on the other hand is a joy to watch from his repulsive hillbilly hygiene and his indifferent voice of reason to which nobody EVER listens.

The torture scene this week did NOT sit well with me. Is this an American thing because we have exactly the same approach by many different characters in Lost and 24? Would Americans really rather torture a human being instead of asking sensible questions and verifying answers before assuming somebody is lying? I mean they had the kid bed-ridden for a week and nobody asked him a single question? And who came out of the episode the worst? The one person who thought torture was wrong. Are the writers sending a deliberate message or did they just want us to care about what happened?

But it's Carol I want to see develop the most. I want to see her rise like a phoenix from the ashes of her former life and take more control (she's no Ripley but she could be..). Something tells me the writers might have a different, more predictable, fate in store for her. Once a victim...

EDIT: And when are they going to realise that deliberately cutting yourself with a rusty knife is NOT smart in a world with limited antibiotics and that zombie disease is not just necessarily passed on via saliva... Too late I'm guessing.

[Pauln6]

Dorian Thompson wrote:

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I would have zero problem with Lori if the narrative would acknowledge that she's a terrible person. Some women are like this. Some women need men, or think they need men and will compete with other women and cut them down to size. Not every woman is a self actualized super woman brimming with self confidence. That's not realistic.

Just acknowledge it. People would tend to revert to "caveman" survivalist behaviors. Acknowledge it. Deal with it. Argue over it in the script. The role of women in child bearing and survival of the species, would become a point of contention in such a situation, right or wrong.

But the show has nothing to say about how to build a society. These people are not smart enough to contemplate this. This is why Hershell has taught nobody any of his veterinary skills - it's not as if he's old and will die leaving his children with no way to care for the sick people or animals is it? Was he planning on siring his own grandchildren? It's also why nobody knows how to play the guitar.

[wissaboo]

I don't think they have had time to build anything yet. It's only been a couple months. At this point they are just trying to find a way to get to the next day.

I think carol will stay around because they are not going to get rid of Daryl. And Daryl needs Carol to continue growing and to tie him to the group.

[Pauln6]

wissaboo wrote:

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I don't think they have had time to build anything yet. It's only been a couple months. At this point they are just trying to find a way to get to the next day.

I think carol will stay around because they are not going to get rid of Daryl. And Daryl needs Carol to continue growing and to tie him to the group.

True but I get annoyed when the primary focus of a female character is to help a male character develop. I liked Catherine Sakai for herself in B5. Vash in TNG was a joy.

Still, with any luck the two of them will grow and develop together. I just wish Daryl would wash more often. Squirrel blood is not a great perfume.