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Old November 28 2013, 04:26 AM   #16
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

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I going through the series on Laserdisc and there's a lot of things that were different, compared to the remastered episodes. The original mono tracks are most of the time just downgraded versions of the 5.1 tracks they made for the original season DVDs. The episode of Miri has just a downgraded remastered track for the original mono track, complete with the newly recorded theme. The tracks for The Cage and The Menagerie have alternate music cues and A Taste of Armageddon has a noticeable splice within the music cue that has always bothered me, but it correct on the Laserdisc version.

I am trying to edit scores for each and every episode. I noticed Miri has a cue that is not on the set. Which cue is used on the laser-disc of Miri in the scene she is talking to Kirk at around 14:30?

The cue is "Lonely to Dramatic" by Joseph Mullendore. Disc 5/Track 11 on the TOS soundtrack set.
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Old November 28 2013, 08:07 AM   #17
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The cue is "Lonely to Dramatic" by Joseph Mullendore. Disc 5/Track 11 on the TOS soundtrack set.


I don't mean to sound like I don't believe you, I just want to be absolutely, positively sure. Many people are assuming the cue in question is on the set because it is somewhat similar, when in fact it is an entirely different cue and not on the set. You have the laser disc and verified this? The music heard on the DVDs/Blu-Rays is not any of the Library cues or any cue from the Conscience of the King.

Again, I just want to make sure.
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Old November 28 2013, 03:37 PM   #18
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

I thought that the "shower" scene in "A Private Little War" was trimmed. I seem to remember when I was a kid that it lasted longer and was slightly more reveling. I think I remember reading that it was shortened someplace; maybe when the VHS versions were released (I guess they didn't want folks freeze framing Nancy Kovack's boob, lol)
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Old December 1 2013, 12:19 AM   #19
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

What about extras? I've not pulled out my DVD sets for a while, but I remember my VHS collection had some "Memories" of the show being read out by Doohan and Koenig on each tape, but the DVD had relatively little.
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Old December 1 2013, 02:06 AM   #20
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

The Doohan and Koenig segments can be found on YouTube, but are not on the DVD.

The Blu-Rays reproduce the bonus features from the DVDs, although I believe they omit all the short "easter egg" features from them.
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Old December 1 2013, 08:24 AM   #21
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

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Yup, The Menagerie part 2 had music replaced weirdly, only for the fade-ins. At the start of the episode, a re-recording from the Fred Steiner LP from 1985 was used. The episode titles used Doomsday Machine music. Act 2 had more music from the LP.

Thanks for this good info!

BTW, I notice you specified the LP. You're saying it generically, as a title originally on vinyl, right? They must have used the CD edition to spare themselves the cleanup.
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Old December 2 2013, 02:52 PM   #22
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

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Thanks for this good info!

BTW, I notice you specified the LP. You're saying it generically, as a title originally on vinyl, right? They must have used the CD edition to spare themselves the cleanup.
Yes and also brecause LP is easier to type than "Fred Steiner's Varese Sarabande Rerecording from the 80's."
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Old December 5 2013, 08:12 PM   #23
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

What are the details on the Doohan and Koenig segments from VHS? As stated above, I have all the single-ep VHS releases and nothing like appeared. Does this refer to double-ep releases?

Is there a list of those Doohan/Koenig comments, and their youtube links?

Is there a list of easter egg feature from the DVD sets? I know nothing about that, and I even have the sets!

Do the bluray sets contain easter eggs? I ordered all 3 seasons on bluray last week from Amazon for 72.99 and will look for them...

And ... speaking of the episode music, I have the La La Land complete scores, and remember comments on this board that some episodes contain music that was compiled from stock and in the ep are don't sound exactly like the music as oroginally recorded ... in other words, the cd's contain all the source material, but won't necessarily reflect what you heard in the ep because of manipulation in editiing.... Anyone know of a source that details all of that? I have Jeff Bond's book but don't recall reading anything about re-editing music from stock for specific eps.

I am all out of questions now. Thanks!
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Old December 5 2013, 08:31 PM   #24
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

Just googled and found a list of easter eggs. Not sure if this is all.

http://www.hiddendvdeastereggs.com/sList.html
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Old December 6 2013, 05:10 PM   #25
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The music sounds just like it did in the episodes. Only a limited number of episodes each year had original music composed to them, so there was a lot of tracking and editing throughout and some might have gotten tweaked in the booth at the time of broadcast. However, there is really nothing that "doesn't sound like it does in the episode."

There were also a bunch of cues written as library music, not specific to a particular episode, to be plugged in as needed. All of these are on the CD set. There has been a question or two about a couple of cues that seem to be missing, but according to the people who worked on it, it's comprehensive aside from a few songs (one from The Way to Eden and I'll Take You Home Kathleen). If any orchestral score is missing, it's not significant. I certainly haven't noticed and I've been listening to this set a lot for the last year.
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Old December 10 2013, 08:29 AM   #26
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

The easter eggs I have found on the blu-rays thus far are pathetic! It's often a nobody giving a generic opinion on some aspect of the show, or even worse some sort of clip mash-up that has been outdone by many on youtube. And most of these are less than 30 seconds!

I haven't yet bothered with the "BD live" content which requires a connection (I can't get it to work though I watch Netflix regularly through my blu-ray player) but if it's another brief clip, why not simply include it with the disc's contents?
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Old December 10 2013, 10:42 AM   #27
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

So I finally checked my old VHS copies of the Laser-discs...the cue in Miri is the same. So, we do have a cue that is missing on the set. I am curious what happened and if it was omitted due to damage or lost masters, or if it was an oversight/mistake?
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Old December 10 2013, 11:14 PM   #28
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

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I haven't yet bothered with the "BD live" content which requires a connection (I can't get it to work though I watch Netflix regularly through my blu-ray player) but if it's another brief clip, why not simply include it with the disc's contents?
You have to know the market circa 2007 when they first started to produce the sets. At the time the push was "interactive extras" trying to show how neat the next generation formats were. The TOS-R sets were initially targeted to be an HD-DVD release (they put out Season 1 on HD-DVD), then Blu-ray won the format war so CBS took a year and some to re-group and released them on Blu-ray with the equivalent "neat" online features ported to them.

The whole BD Live thing was tried and died out, it wasn't handy and wasn't all that fast to download and then execute the interactive content (basically like a Java application). The rise of smartphones and tablets that could easily access rich "second screen" content was the nail in the coffin.

Anyway to make BD Live work you need 1GB or more of local storage. BD Live has always been an optional feature of the Blu-ray specification, so most vendors didn't bother to include the flash memory for it. You need to connect a USB flash drive and/or insert a memory card in your player (depends on the brand) and then tell the player to use it for BD Live storage. Check your player's manual.

A bit of built-in flash memory storage and internet connectivity was mandatory with HD-DVD, so it wasn't an issue for the HD-DVD release.
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Old December 10 2013, 11:48 PM   #29
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

All the BD-Live stuff on the TOS sets sucked ass anyways.
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Old December 11 2013, 06:57 AM   #30
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Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?

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There has been a question or two about a couple of cues that seem to be missing, but according to the people who worked on it, it's comprehensive aside from a few songs (one from The Way to Eden and I'll Take You Home Kathleen).

I can't recall the missing Eden song. What was it?
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