"The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) - Page 5

Agent Richard07 · July 20 2012, 04:56 PM

The trivia I posted earlier in the thread says that this movie deals with pain, but I think it deals more with loneliness. That's what stood out for me.

Spoilers ahead...

- Bruce has always lived a lonely life, but his is even moreso in this movie now that he's become a recluse.

- Alfred is by himself because Bruce is so distant. Even in the end, the quiet peace and hapiness we see is a solitary one with Bruce gone. Even his seeing him again is consistent with Bruce's MO... Being distant.

- Selina Kyle lives a lonely life as well, having been on her own and having to get by as a thief to support herself.

- John Blake lost his parent just like Bruce did.

- Commissioner Gordon's wife left him and took the kids.

- Talia had a falling out with her father and became estranged.

- Bane was left behind by Talia, though out of necessity.

- Bruce and Selina have vacated the lives they knew and seem to only have eachother.

Cutter John · July 20 2012, 05:38 PM

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SG-17 · July 20 2012, 07:02 PM

I loved it. Loved that President Henry Hayes from Stargate SG-1 was the President in the Dark Knight Rises.

CaptainCanada · July 20 2012, 07:07 PM

One of the things I really like about this series is all the recurring minor characters. Scarecrow, most obviously, after the first movie, but even really small ones like that Wayne Enterprises board member played by Nolan's uncle who I believe was in all three.

Relayer1 · July 20 2012, 07:25 PM

OK - just got back from seeing it. I'd put it about on a par with Batman Begins - ie. good but not great - certainly not a patch on The Dark Knight.

It's a rather flat and overlong experience - it starts, carries on without much in the way of highs and lows and then ends. There's a few bits that don't really ring true and only one point where that 'oh yes' grin broke out, and then only briefly. It was a bit 'same old, same old'...

I think Nolan is somewhat overrated - it's not that I think he's bad, but TDK is the only one of his Batman film's that's truly great and not all of his other stuff's is as good as is reckoned. Inception was nowhere near as clever as it thought it was.

I'm glad he did the Batman films - I wasn't a fan of Burton and Co.'s efforts and these three have raised Batman well above 'joke' level. I'm hoping for Batman IV to bring Bats into a wider DC Universe but NOT be another bloody reboot.

Avengers is definitely my superhero movie of the year, Rises sadly doesn't come close.

CaptainCanada · July 20 2012, 07:57 PM

Relayer1 wrote:

I'm hoping for Batman IV to bring Bats into a wider DC Universe but NOT be another bloody reboot.

Any new Batman film series will be a "reboot" by default since Nolan wrote his trilogy a definitive ending.

Relayer1 · July 20 2012, 08:00 PM

CaptainCanada wrote:

Relayer1 wrote:

I'm hoping for Batman IV to bring Bats into a wider DC Universe but NOT be another bloody reboot.

Any new Batman film series will be a "reboot" by default since Nolan wrote his trilogy a definitive ending.

Fair enough, but they could recast without going back to square one like they did with Spiderman. They don't need to contradict the Nolan trilogy (Ra's al Ghul, Talia, Bane and Two-Face are dead), just make Batman IV...

CaptainCanada · July 20 2012, 08:10 PM

Relayer1 wrote:

They don't need to contradict the Nolan trilogy (Ra's al Ghul, Talia, Bane and Two-Face are dead), just make Batman IV...

Isn't any future Batman film with Bruce Wayne as Batman still inherently contradicting Nolan's trilogy? A new Batman movie is highly unlikely to use any of the villains Nolan used, though, anyway.

Relayer1 · July 20 2012, 08:15 PM

CaptainCanada wrote:

Relayer1 wrote:

They don't need to contradict the Nolan trilogy (Ra's al Ghul, Talia, Bane and Two-Face are dead), just make Batman IV...

Isn't any future Batman film with Bruce Wayne as Batman still inherently contradicting Nolan's trilogy? A new Batman movie is highly unlikely to use any of the villains Nolan used, though, anyway.

I don't think so - who knows why Bruce Wayne would be drawn back to the Batman pesona ? And (imho) they've still got all of Batmans main villains to play with... Joker, Riddler, Penguin etc.

sidious618 · July 20 2012, 08:32 PM

Bringing back Bruce Wayne would be awful.

SalvorHardin · July 20 2012, 08:35 PM

Time for live action Batman Beyond?

CaptainCanada · July 20 2012, 08:39 PM

Relayer1 wrote:

I don't think so - who knows why Bruce Wayne would be drawn back to the Batman pesona ? And (imho) they've still got all of Batmans main villains to play with... Joker, Riddler, Penguin etc.

It would completely spit in the face of Nolan's whole tenure to bring Batman back after this movie. The whole point is that he's gotten his happy ending and there's a new guy on the job. There's no way a future Batman movie is going to be in the same continuity as this. It may not be a new origin story, but it'll be a different universe. Nolan worked miracles for DC, and he got to give his take on the character a definite end.

Star Wolf · July 20 2012, 08:57 PM

CaptainCanada wrote:

Relayer1 wrote:

I don't think so - who knows why Bruce Wayne would be drawn back to the Batman pesona ? And (imho) they've still got all of Batmans main villains to play with... Joker, Riddler, Penguin etc.

It would completely spit in the face of Nolan's whole tenure to bring Batman back after this movie. The whole point is that he's gotten his happy ending and there's a new guy on the job. There's no way a future Batman movie is going to be in the same continuity as this. It may not be a new origin story, but it'll be a different universe. Nolan worked miracles for DC, and he got to give his take on the character a definite end.

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marillion · July 20 2012, 09:03 PM

^^ Agreed...

I feel this has to be a different universe.. They can go the route of flipping through the origin during a montage in the credits if they must, but WE ALL KNOW WHO THE BATMAN IS (dammit!!)...

This isn't Bond where new actors inhabit the same clothes as time marches on...

Had this been a continuation of the Burton Universe Batman, it would be much easier, continuity-wise...

But yes, Nolan's story has a beginning and an end...

The Wormhole · July 20 2012, 09:06 PM

Pretty cool movie, although my bladder certainly didn't appreciate the three hour length. I actually had to get up during the epic final battle and take a piss.

Still, a solid movie which I can find nothing else to complain about. Really cool action scenes and great character work, especially the stuff with Alfred. Definately a solid addition to the Batman franchise.

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July 20 2012, 04:56 PM	#61
Agent Richard07 The Tim Burton Version Location: Defying Logic	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) The trivia I posted earlier in the thread says that this movie deals with pain, but I think it deals more with loneliness. That's what stood out for me. Spoilers ahead... - Bruce has always lived a lonely life, but his is even moreso in this movie now that he's become a recluse. - Alfred is by himself because Bruce is so distant. Even in the end, the quiet peace and hapiness we see is a solitary one with Bruce gone. Even his seeing him again is consistent with Bruce's MO... Being distant. - Selina Kyle lives a lonely life as well, having been on her own and having to get by as a thief to support herself. - John Blake lost his parent just like Bruce did. - Commissioner Gordon's wife left him and took the kids. - Talia had a falling out with her father and became estranged. - Bane was left behind by Talia, though out of necessity. - Bruce and Selina have vacated the lives they knew and seem to only have eachother.

July 20 2012, 07:02 PM	#63
SG-17 Commodore Location: Pennsylvania	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) I loved it. Loved that President Henry Hayes from Stargate SG-1 was the President in the Dark Knight Rises. __________________ Programs that I currently enjoy: The Legend of Korra \| Falling Skies \| The Walking Dead \| Hell on Wheels \| Warehouse 13 \| Being Human \| Doctor Who \| The Borgias \| Archer \| Revolution \| Arrow

July 20 2012, 07:07 PM	#64
CaptainCanada Admiral Location: Kingston, Ontario, Canada	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) One of the things I really like about this series is all the recurring minor characters. Scarecrow, most obviously, after the first movie, but even really small ones like that Wayne Enterprises board member played by Nolan's uncle who I believe was in all three. __________________ "I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me, no matter how dumb my suggestions are!" - Homer Simpson

July 20 2012, 07:25 PM	#65
Relayer1 Fleet Captain Location: The Black Country, England	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) OK - just got back from seeing it. I'd put it about on a par with Batman Begins - ie. good but not great - certainly not a patch on The Dark Knight. It's a rather flat and overlong experience - it starts, carries on without much in the way of highs and lows and then ends. There's a few bits that don't really ring true and only one point where that 'oh yes' grin broke out, and then only briefly. It was a bit 'same old, same old'... I think Nolan is somewhat overrated - it's not that I think he's bad, but TDK is the only one of his Batman film's that's truly great and not all of his other stuff's is as good as is reckoned. Inception was nowhere near as clever as it thought it was. I'm glad he did the Batman films - I wasn't a fan of Burton and Co.'s efforts and these three have raised Batman well above 'joke' level. I'm hoping for Batman IV to bring Bats into a wider DC Universe but NOT be another bloody reboot. Avengers is definitely my superhero movie of the year, Rises sadly doesn't come close. __________________ Soon oh soon the light, Pass within and soothe this endless night, And wait here for you, Our reason to be here...

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July 20 2012, 08:32 PM	#70
sidious618 Admiral Location: New York, US	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Bringing back Bruce Wayne would be awful. __________________ We've met before, haven't we?

July 20 2012, 08:35 PM	#71
SalvorHardin Rear Admiral Location: Star's End	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Time for live action Batman Beyond? __________________ www.youtube.com/user/SalvorSeldon

July 20 2012, 09:03 PM	#74
marillion Vice Admiral Location: Hangin' with Smokey Bear	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) ^^ Agreed... I feel this has to be a different universe.. They can go the route of flipping through the origin during a montage in the credits if they must, but WE ALL KNOW WHO THE BATMAN IS (dammit!!)... This isn't Bond where new actors inhabit the same clothes as time marches on... Had this been a continuation of the Burton Universe Batman, it would be much easier, continuity-wise... But yes, Nolan's story has a beginning and an end... __________________ Find a new way of life - www.marillion.com

July 20 2012, 09:06 PM	#75
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Pretty cool movie, although my bladder certainly didn't appreciate the three hour length. I actually had to get up during the epic final battle and take a piss. Still, a solid movie which I can find nothing else to complain about. Really cool action scenes and great character work, especially the stuff with Alfred. Definately a solid addition to the Batman franchise. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.