"The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) - Page 33

Flying Spaghetti Monster · July 25 2012, 12:52 AM

I think the time that the Joker was genuinely telling the truth when Gamble tells him that he is crazy and the Joker replies. "I'm not.. I'm no--t!"

After all, he believes that the idea of society is a big joke, and the fact that people can get along together and have a sense of security can break down at any time.

Trekker4747 · July 25 2012, 12:54 AM

I dunno, the Joker saying he wasn't crazy sounded more "defensive" and in a manner of even trying to convince himself than it did a genuine expression of his grasp of sanity.

Set Harth · July 25 2012, 02:47 AM

Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote:

Interesting you pointed that out. The sound of children was added in post production

Which makes it a part of the film.

Flying Spaghetti Monster · July 25 2012, 02:54 AM

Set Harth wrote:

Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote:

Interesting you pointed that out. The sound of children was added in post production

Which makes it a part of the film.

Of course.. and I accept it that kids were on the buses.

but if you look closely there are no kids.

JD · July 25 2012, 03:08 AM

I saw the movie this morning and I thought it was absolutely amazing. I loved every moment of it. Anne Hathaway was awesome as Selina. I do agree that it was a little more over the top than the other two, but IMO it wasn't extreme enough to ruin the movie.
I'm actually really glad I read about Talia, because I thought it made it alot more interesting being able to watch Bruce and his allies basically give her everything she was after. Definitely an Excellent.

Yminale · July 25 2012, 03:36 AM

Greg Cox wrote:

FYI: if anyone is interested, io9.com has just posted a sample chapter from the novelization.

Does your novelization expand upon the movie plot? Does it give more detail about the characters?

I like to know more about those missing 8 years. I also want to know if Blake is suppose to be the kid in the narrows from Batman Begins.

Set Harth · July 25 2012, 03:40 AM

I highly doubt it.

O'Dib · July 25 2012, 03:41 AM

JD wrote:

I saw the movie this morning and I thought it was absolutely amazing. I loved every moment of it. Anne Hathaway was awesome as Selina. I do agree that it was a little more over the top than the other two, but IMO it wasn't extreme enough to ruin the movie.
I'm actually really glad I read about Talia, because I thought it made it alot more interesting being able to watch Bruce and his allies basically give her everything she was after. Definitely an Excellent.

I also enjoyed the epic scope of it. The only thing I thought was kinda OTT was the extensive use of the Bat. At that point it stretches believability that Bruce isn't at least accused of financing Batman.

I didn't have a problem with the fairy-tale aspects of it, the Pit and so on. That felt true to the kind of world BB established, what with an enduring League that has been operating for millennia.

OdoWanKenobi · July 25 2012, 03:55 AM

One thing that bothered me now that I've seen it twice. There were at least two Bats. One that Batman had, and the other in the Applied Science Vault. So, when Bane broke into the vault, why did he not steal the Bat that was in there? Did he not think that what is essentially a heli-tank would be useful?

JD · July 25 2012, 03:57 AM

Really? I thought it was just the one prototype that Bruce hid on the rooftop.

OdoWanKenobi · July 25 2012, 04:08 AM

No, there has to be two. The one that Batman uses throughout the movie blew up with the bomb. Afterward we see Lucius talking with the two techs that are looking at the Bat prototype when they tell him the autopilot was already fixed. The one in that scene is the prototype that Lucius showed Bruce early in the film. It has a grey paint job instead of the black that Batman's does.

JD · July 25 2012, 04:19 AM

Ah, I didn't even think about that when the showed it.
One concept that the end introduced, which I think has been used in the comics, is the idea of Batman as a legacy hero. I kind of like the idea that every few years the current Batman would find a worthy successor who would be handed the "keys to the cave" when that person had had enough, and that this could continue on for years or even decades.

OdoWanKenobi · July 25 2012, 04:26 AM

Bruce has always been Batman. Other people like Dick Grayson, or Jean Paul Valley have filled in for a time while Bruce was incapacitated (broken back, or unstuck in time, etc.) but he has always come back to the cowl pretty quickly. Bats has never really been a legacy character like say the Flash, or even Robin

JD · July 25 2012, 04:32 AM

But there have been stories set in the future with another Batman, and I thought that everyone thought Bruce was dead when Dick took over the Batman identity. I haven't read RIP yet, but that was the impression I got from the stuff I've read online. I thought it was one of the other guys, either Jason or Tim, who thought Bruce was still alive.

OdoWanKenobi · July 25 2012, 04:37 AM

Tim was sure that Bruce was still alive and was right. But Bruce did come back, and Dick returned to being Nightwing. There was an alternate future issue that had Damian as Batman after Bruce's death, and apprently there are also some set even later with Terry McGinnis. But in current continuity, Bruce Wayne is Batman, and the others have really only ever filled in during his absence

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July 25 2012, 12:52 AM	#481
Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Location: Flying Spaghetti Western	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) I think the time that the Joker was genuinely telling the truth when Gamble tells him that he is crazy and the Joker replies. "I'm not.. I'm no--t!" After all, he believes that the idea of society is a big joke, and the fact that people can get along together and have a sense of security can break down at any time. __________________ *"This is a violation of the ruddy Incarceration Act... and I will not be the subject of criminal abuse!!"*

July 25 2012, 12:54 AM	#482
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) I dunno, the Joker saying he wasn't crazy sounded more "defensive" and in a manner of even trying to convince himself than it did a genuine expression of his grasp of sanity. __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.

July 25 2012, 03:08 AM	#485
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) I saw the movie this morning and I thought it was absolutely amazing. I loved every moment of it. Anne Hathaway was awesome as Selina. I do agree that it was a little more over the top than the other two, but IMO it wasn't extreme enough to ruin the movie. I'm actually really glad I read about Talia, because I thought it made it alot more interesting being able to watch Bruce and his allies basically give her everything she was after. Definitely an Excellent. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

July 25 2012, 03:40 AM	#487
Set Harth Rear Admiral Location: Ekkaia	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) I highly doubt it. __________________ "Your grandfather called me a ronin. A samurai without a master. Who has no reason to live." "Was he right?"

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July 25 2012, 03:55 AM	#489
OdoWanKenobi Entity of Fear Location: Korugar	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) One thing that bothered me now that I've seen it twice. There were at least two Bats. One that Batman had, and the other in the Applied Science Vault. So, when Bane broke into the vault, why did he not steal the Bat that was in there? Did he not think that what is essentially a heli-tank would be useful? __________________ "In blackest day, in brightest night, beware your fears made into light. Let those who try to stop what's right, burn like my power: Sinestro's might!"

July 25 2012, 03:57 AM	#490
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Really? I thought it was just the one prototype that Bruce hid on the rooftop. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

July 25 2012, 04:08 AM	#491
OdoWanKenobi Entity of Fear Location: Korugar	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) No, there has to be two. The one that Batman uses throughout the movie blew up with the bomb. Afterward we see Lucius talking with the two techs that are looking at the Bat prototype when they tell him the autopilot was already fixed. The one in that scene is the prototype that Lucius showed Bruce early in the film. It has a grey paint job instead of the black that Batman's does. __________________ "In blackest day, in brightest night, beware your fears made into light. Let those who try to stop what's right, burn like my power: Sinestro's might!"

July 25 2012, 04:19 AM	#492
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Ah, I didn't even think about that when the showed it. One concept that the end introduced, which I think has been used in the comics, is the idea of Batman as a legacy hero. I kind of like the idea that every few years the current Batman would find a worthy successor who would be handed the "keys to the cave" when that person had had enough, and that this could continue on for years or even decades. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

July 25 2012, 04:26 AM	#493
OdoWanKenobi Entity of Fear Location: Korugar	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Bruce has always been Batman. Other people like Dick Grayson, or Jean Paul Valley have filled in for a time while Bruce was incapacitated (broken back, or unstuck in time, etc.) but he has always come back to the cowl pretty quickly. Bats has never really been a legacy character like say the Flash, or even Robin __________________ "In blackest day, in brightest night, beware your fears made into light. Let those who try to stop what's right, burn like my power: Sinestro's might!"

July 25 2012, 04:32 AM	#494
JD Admiral Location: Arizona, USA	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) But there have been stories set in the future with another Batman, and I thought that everyone thought Bruce was dead when Dick took over the Batman identity. I haven't read RIP yet, but that was the impression I got from the stuff I've read online. I thought it was one of the other guys, either Jason or Tim, who thought Bruce was still alive. __________________ Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters. Run away. Me and Monty Python. Harry Dresden - Blood Rites (The Dresden Files #6)

July 25 2012, 04:37 AM	#495
OdoWanKenobi Entity of Fear Location: Korugar	Re: "The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers) Tim was sure that Bruce was still alive and was right. But Bruce did come back, and Dick returned to being Nightwing. There was an alternate future issue that had Damian as Batman after Bruce's death, and apprently there are also some set even later with Terry McGinnis. But in current continuity, Bruce Wayne is Batman, and the others have really only ever filled in during his absence __________________ "In blackest day, in brightest night, beware your fears made into light. Let those who try to stop what's right, burn like my power: Sinestro's might!"