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Old June 26 2012, 07:08 AM   #1
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Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

Apperantly CBS is going to put a 20 minutes longer version of "measure of a man" on the blueray. http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/25/writ...sure-of-a-man/

It seems the episode was filmed directly from the spec script, leading to that much overlength.

If I remember right, it actually was pretty common for TNG to have more scenes for an episode then they could actually use.

Lets try to put together a list of all known additional scenes.

For example, in the episode with the fish-like aliens, the scene where they awake was actually longer.

What other deleted stuff do we know of?
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Old June 26 2012, 10:42 AM   #2
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

I suspect quite a few episodes over ran, from the shot script to the broadcast version.

Though if we were given the choice and the scenes still exist would we want the material added back. as running time is not a concern on BR?
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Old June 26 2012, 10:55 AM   #3
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

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I suspect quite a few episodes over ran, from the shot script to the broadcast version.

Though if we were given the choice and the scenes still exist would we want the material added back. as running time is not a concern on BR?
Added back? Well, if the originally broadcast scene composition and run length are preserved in a regular original version, so that a whole extended version is included as an extra feature, then yes. Otherwise, if the original version is excluded, then no. But in either case, I'd want the extra scenes in the form of the standard deleted scenes set in the extra features section.

Frankly, since making an extended version is more work than just including restored deleted scenes in the extra features, what's the real financial incentive to put in the extra effort to make the extended version?
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Old June 26 2012, 01:11 PM   #4
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

Dang, I'd like to see that - it's one of my favorite episodes. But I ain't buying the BRs after having spent $600 (or whatever) on the DVDs.
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Old June 26 2012, 02:14 PM   #5
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Dang, I'd like to see that - it's one of my favorite episodes. But I ain't buying the BRs after having spent $600 (or whatever) on the DVDs.
Yeah, it annoys me too, but I agree with you. I'm sticking with DVD.

Who knows? Maybe somebody will upload them to YouTube and we'll get to see them anyhow.
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Old June 26 2012, 02:17 PM   #6
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Frankly, since making an extended version is more work than just including restored deleted scenes in the extra features, what's the real financial incentive to put in the extra effort to make the extended version?
Well the season was shortened due to a writers strike that year. So there is less actual content than every other season.
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Old June 26 2012, 03:25 PM   #7
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

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What other deleted stuff do we know of?
Wesley's birthday party (in "Coming of Age"). The crew sing Happy Birthday (or similar song), Worf ends up asking Beverly how old she is and Bev is unimpressed, handing him a plate and saying, "Have some cake, Worf."
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Old June 26 2012, 03:28 PM   #8
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Old June 26 2012, 04:39 PM   #9
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

I'm incredulous, in disbelief. TWENTY minutes???
That's nearly HALF the running time of an eps.
I can believe three or four minutes that were cut. But 20?? Wow.

I've seen still photos of the cut-scene of Wesley's birthday party and heard of other things that were cut. But after decades, how is this coming out now?

No convention stories, no behind-the-scenes interviews, no books... telling of how one of the most popular eps had all this extra footage filmed and never aired? Amazing.
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Old June 26 2012, 05:23 PM   #10
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

Here's a list of deleted scenes, compiled at Memory Alpha:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Deleted_scene
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Old June 26 2012, 05:41 PM   #11
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

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I'm incredulous, in disbelief. TWENTY minutes???
That's nearly HALF the running time of an eps.
I can believe three or four minutes that were cut. But 20?? Wow.
Indeed. Should be fun to see, if it ends up being true (even if the extra footage isn't restored/finished and just added as a special branching option).
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Old June 26 2012, 05:50 PM   #12
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

FreddyE wrote: View Post
Apperantly CBS is going to put a 20 minutes longer version of "measure of a man" on the blueray. http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/25/writ...sure-of-a-man/

It seems the episode was filmed directly from the spec script, leading to that much overlength.
Actually, they filmed the 2nd revised final draft, not a spec script (it wouldn't have been production ready). TrekMovie just says that the episode came to TNG as a spec. Here's an RTF file of the teleplay with the deleted moments bolded and italicized:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/a22yu4
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Old June 26 2012, 06:02 PM   #13
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

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Indeed. Should be fun to see, if it ends up being true (even if the extra footage isn't restored/finished and just added as a special branching option).
I would think that if they don't restore the footage from the original camera negatives, then they wouldn't branch it... it would be too jarring alongside the new HD version of the episode. If that's the case, they'd probably just include its deleted scenes as a standard definition extra on the last disc of the set.

But if they go the route of restoration, ala the alternate, unaired, uncut version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" that was on the Season Three TOS Blu-ray set... then we may see it in full HD.
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Old June 27 2012, 10:09 AM   #14
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Re: Measure of a man - extended version on blueray

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I suspect quite a few episodes over ran, from the shot script to the broadcast version.

Though if we were given the choice and the scenes still exist would we want the material added back. as running time is not a concern on BR?
In the Best of Both Worlds part 2, there's a nice scene with Riker and Troi where she tells him that she could sense Picard in Lcutus and how much he was hurting. It was cut from the episode, either in the editing or before it was filmed, but it was in the script, and I included it in my novelization of the episode (see my signature).
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Old June 27 2012, 10:28 AM   #15
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I've seen still photos of the cut-scene of Wesley's birthday party and heard of other things that were cut. But after decades, how is this coming out now?
Well, they never went back to the original dailies / negs before now.
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