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Old June 27 2012, 06:51 AM   #46
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Re: The Newsroom.

Which I covered at the bottom of that post.
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Old June 27 2012, 10:42 AM   #47
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Re: The Newsroom.

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That's a good point. We could say the network mentality goes beyond Sorkin. But as it was his original show, it's hard to see Alda getting the presidency and staying to his character's base.
Alda's character was a moderate "Goldwater" Republican from California who opposed the Religious Right's influence on the party.

I, as a fairly liberal viewer, would have been very interested in seeing a couple seasons about the Vinick administration. His moderate inclinations contrasted with the outside influence of the party as it moves further right would have made for a very compelling show.
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Old June 27 2012, 12:46 PM   #48
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Re: The Newsroom.

Vinick was ridiculous, there is no way he could make it as a professional republican considering how evil someone like Sorkin (who didn't work there any more, I know.) thinks everyone who disagrees with him are.
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Old June 27 2012, 05:47 PM   #49
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Re: The Newsroom.

I really wanted to like this, because I'm totally onboard with what Sorkin's trying to say, and I usually love his writing. But after a fantastic opening it quickly went downhill for me.

All the nonstop speechifying and witty banter just got really tedious after awhile, and Daniels' character was such a prick I couldn't stand watching him anymore. And the other characters seemed pretty irritating as well.
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Old June 27 2012, 09:57 PM   #50
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Re: The Newsroom.

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Alda's character was a moderate "Goldwater" Republican...
"Moderate 'Goldwater' Republican" is a contradiction in terms. Goldwater was, in fact, the father of the conservative movement. Goldwaters are generally the conservative/libertarian wing of the party, not so much on the religious aspects but on everything else he was as right wing as republicans can be. And even on social and religious issues Goldwater was often fairly conservative.

You might be thinking of "Rockefeller" republicans.

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Old June 27 2012, 10:08 PM   #51
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Re: The Newsroom.

Do we like that they will be using real news?

Or would made up news be better?
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Old June 27 2012, 10:35 PM   #52
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Do we like that they will be using real news?

Or would made up news be better?
"Murphy Brown" used current events and it comes off as pretty dated these days.
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Old June 27 2012, 10:58 PM   #53
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Hmm.

Was that an ongoing tool?

It was hilarious when she stuck it to Dan Quail.

It's been 25 years since I've seen the show.

But gosh I adored it at the time.
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Old June 28 2012, 05:07 AM   #54
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Hmm.

Was that an ongoing tool?
Oh, yeah. Most of the jokes were current event based.

It was hilarious when she stuck it to Dan Quail.
You have a strange sense of humor then. The Quayle ep was one the dramatic ones (ie a 'very special episode').

It's been 25 years since I've seen the show.
Interesting, insofar as the show debuted in 1988.
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Old June 28 2012, 08:35 AM   #55
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Re: The Newsroom.

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Alda's character was a moderate "Goldwater" Republican...
"Moderate 'Goldwater' Republican" is a contradiction in terms. Goldwater was, in fact, the father of the conservative movement. Goldwaters are generally the conservative/libertarian wing of the party, not so much on the religious aspects but on everything else he was as right wing as republicans can be. And even on social and religious issues Goldwater was often fairly conservative.

You might be thinking of "Rockefeller" republicans.
Moderate + Goldwater Republican. As in a moderate version of a Goldwater republican. The producers themselves said that was their intention.
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Old June 28 2012, 09:51 AM   #56
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Re: The Newsroom.

I absolutely loved every single minute of this, from the crazy but honest rant to the play-by-play of the news studio. I know this isn't for everyone because of Sorkin's writing style but I love it. It tackles not just how a news studio works, but also the news media should work. Watching this episode has made me want to watch Good Night, and Good Luck tonight.
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Old June 28 2012, 01:06 PM   #57
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Moderate + Goldwater Republican. As in a moderate version of a Goldwater republican. The producers themselves said that was their intention.
...proving the producers have no idea how to realistically portray republicans, then. As noted above, it's a contradiction in terms.
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Old June 28 2012, 04:14 PM   #58
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Re: The Newsroom.

For you fans, I present to you:

Sorkinisms - Supercut

Apparently no one loves Sorkin's writing as much as Sorkin himself!
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Moderate + Goldwater Republican. As in a moderate version of a Goldwater republican. The producers themselves said that was their intention.
...proving the producers have no idea how to realistically portray republicans, then. As noted above, it's a contradiction in terms.
What would be a better term for a socially progressive, non-religiously motivated, small government, fiscal conservative?
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Old June 28 2012, 09:22 PM   #60
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Moderate + Goldwater Republican. As in a moderate version of a Goldwater republican. The producers themselves said that was their intention.
...proving the producers have no idea how to realistically portray republicans, then. As noted above, it's a contradiction in terms.
What would be a better term for a socially progressive, non-religiously motivated, small government, fiscal conservative?
Classical liberal.
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