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Old July 22 2012, 05:25 PM   #136
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Outside of that edited video, the same scene, IIRC, has McAvoy (or maybe it was the lady staffer) saying that despite it all, by golly, we still can be the world's greatest country, which is also a ridiculous statement, given how dysfunctional a government our Constitution ensures.
I'm with you except for this. Ultimately, it's not the checks and balances of the Constitution that make our government dysfunctional -- it's our overall political culture. It's the environment we create when we operate, not the structures through which we operate.
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Old July 22 2012, 06:09 PM   #137
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And what do ya think creates that political culture?

Remember the old joke about why academic politics are so vicious - because there is so little at stake.

Less than five percent of the population can veto any kind of Constitutional amendment. That's not "checks and balances"; that's an untouchable tyranny of a miniscule minority. Thanks to the iniquities of the Senate, Democrats don't have the power to create a single-payer health care system like truly civilized countries have, and Republicans can't wipe Social Security (yet).

And our Constitution is in serious need of reform, as the national deficiencies in McAvoy's rant demonstrate.
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Old July 22 2012, 07:33 PM   #138
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And what do ya think creates that political culture?
Severe economic inequality, mostly.

I don't disagree that the Constitution needs some fairly major amendments, but the Constitution's structures exacerbate the problems; they don't create them.
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Old July 23 2012, 06:59 AM   #139
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Loved tonights episode. The show is really starting to fire on all cylinders for me. I absolutely loved the Rudy subplot, the whole inner battle between the owner and the news team through the tabloids is getting fun, and the romantic subplot didn't drag the episode down this time.

I'd say a strong three out of five. I really can't wait to see what happens in the season final, Sorkin showed in WW that he can make one hell of a cliffhanger, and the constant implication someone is going to get shot in the teasers makes me think it will be something good not having to do with anyone getting shot.
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Old July 23 2012, 08:54 AM   #140
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can anyone inform if edible underwear actually tastes any good?
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Old July 23 2012, 05:47 PM   #141
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Re: The Newsroom.

Ever eaten a fruit roll up that still had the plastic attached? Something like that.
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Old July 23 2012, 07:03 PM   #142
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No.

But it still sounds better than a processed cheese square with the plastic still attached.
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Old July 24 2012, 02:06 AM   #143
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Well, that was pretty awesome. I loved Will going all tough guy on Nina Howard in this understated fashion. "Restaurants are a bad investment."
I also loved the earlier scene with Will and Mac in the office where he tried to console her in a demure fashion. He's such a good guy. The final scene was great, too. A typical Sorkinesque happy end.
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Old July 24 2012, 12:16 PM   #144
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That was an awesome episode. From "what it means to be a journalist" storyline to the Will's verbal smackdown and the happy ending, this episode reminded me of the good ol' days of The West Wing. More of this please.
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Old July 26 2012, 04:42 PM   #145
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I must say that I really appreciate Will McAvoy as a character. I feel that he's already a much more layered and deeper character than most on West Wing. He's an untypical Sorkin hero in that he's kind of a broken man in regard to his personal life.
Having caught up with the show, Will is just Matt Albie with the substance abuse problem replaced with womanising. That's my big concern. Right now, the show is okay, but it's closer to Studio 60 than The West Wing and it looks like it's going to make the same mistakes as that show. For example, Studio 60 was suffocated by its continual focus on the non-relationship between Matt and Harriot, and The Newsroom is making the exact same mistake with Will and MacKenzie. It's almost the exact same formula, a couple that had an acrimonious split, spent some time apart, forced to work together, develop love/hate relationship. What's worse is that Sorkin has doubled down on the romantic crap with the Jim/Maggie/Don love triangle. Not a single episode has gone by where both of those romantic storylines weren't touched upon, and that same problem is what killed Studio 60 for me. Sorkin needs to dump that stuff and focus on the news.

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It was followed up by Isaac and Ishmael, an episode that was literally a lecture to schoolchildren about how not all Arabs are bad.
That was the point of the episode and whats wrong with TV trying to educate its audience anyway?
Because it was really badly written. There wasn't even a story to that episode, the fact that they were giving a lecture was the story.
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Old July 26 2012, 09:05 PM   #146
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I am a nonpartisan who hates both sides. Does this show go after dems too for Obama's executive power grabs, wars, war on whistleblowers and Wall Street funders too or is it a partisan hack show which only goes after one side?
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Old July 26 2012, 09:19 PM   #147
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What's worse is that Sorkin has doubled down on the romantic crap with the Jim/Maggie/Don love triangle. Not a single episode has gone by where both of those romantic storylines weren't touched upon, and that same problem is what killed Studio 60 for me. Sorkin needs to dump that stuff and focus on the news.
But that's the inherent trap, innit? Because the show's about real-world news, it feels relevant. But because it's set in the real world two years ago, we know it'll never really change anything; it'll just always doodle around the margins. With The West Wing, the gang may not have been in the real world per se, but they could get s*** done.
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Old July 26 2012, 09:38 PM   #148
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I am a nonpartisan who hates both sides. Does this show go after dems too for Obama's executive power grabs, wars, war on whistleblowers and Wall Street funders too or is it a partisan hack show which only goes after one side?
I wouldn't say that it's overly partisan. Or maybe I should say it's not overtly partisan. There are obviously definite leftist leanings in the writing, the topics being covered and the conclusions being drawn, but since they're using the Tea Party as the foil/baseline for comparison, even Ronald Reagan would be considered a rainbow-flag waving liberal communist by today's standards. Makes for easy pickings, really. The real challenge is painting in shades of gray which they arguably haven't even tried to do. Perhaps that's why they are gathering together a whole new writing team.
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Old July 27 2012, 12:35 AM   #149
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Back when he was beaning Russians, even I chanted USA as Haxsaw Jim Duggan told me to the first few thousand times... However I then began to notice as an attentive 10 year old that he drew the crowd into a frenzy screaming "USA, USA, USA" no matter who he was fighting, even other Americans as yokel and Hillbilly as Jim was.

If they can't colour a fight as epic good vs evil, if we lose this your children will be used as kindling for the bastards I'm the only chance you have to stop... Why should I care?

Did they mention the 20 years of prosperity, economic growth and security the Empire felt under the rule of palpatine? NO. They just killed him because he had the "wrong" religion, and made sure after the fact that they controlled the narrative. It was all probably a subconcious allegory for why there will never be a Jew in the White House.

Hell, in the beginning, after he was bawling on about Power Converters, Luke started droning on about how he wanted to be a Stormtrooper. I assume that TIE Fighter pilots are still Storm Troopers?

YES THEY ARE!
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Old July 27 2012, 01:14 AM   #150
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^^^ I can understand the need to paint a rosy picture of good vs. evil, and Star Wars is an excellent vehicle for that, as you point out. Newsroom, however, is supposed to be about real life. A 20-20 cautionary and idealistic retrospective of what the news media and politicians should have done, yes, but still very grounded in real events. Real life is never pure black and white - good vs. evil. It's all about the gray.

The best villains in movies and tv shows always have a righteous angle to them. They don't believe they're evil. It's the other guy who has wronged them. Remember why everyone likes Khan? Moral ambiguity makes for interesting story-telling, and good drama, which is why Nu Battlestar was popular. 'Course, some could argue they took that a little too far, but that's a conversation for another thread.

Newsroom has its feet now. It's time to start going after some things that aren't so easily cut-and-dry as Palpa...er...the Koch Brothers and their Tea Party lackeys. Time to move into the big leagues and live up to the promise of the pilot episode's stated mission. It has great potential to do so. They need to start living up to that potential, now, or pack it in. Else the quaint preachyness is going to start sounding like the teacher in Charlie Brown shows - whah wha waaahh wu whannh. They deserve better than that, and so do we while watching it.
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