I really Like "Carbon Creek"

Mike Have-Not · February 6 2011, 12:41 AM

I think it is my favorite episode of the series.

I really liked T'Pol's character and acting in the story-telling scenes that frame the episiode, also.

The way she left Trip and Archer hanging, thinking she'd been "pulling a fast one" on them.

Very funny!

How do Enterprise fans feel about this episode?

Bishop76 · February 6 2011, 12:49 AM

I think it's pretty awful in general. It was clearly made on-the-cheap and the writing was pretty bad. I think if you're going to stick Vulcans on earth in the 50s, you need to ramp up the comedy a bit more, otherwise we're just watching another episode where the "crew" (in this case the Vulcans) need to find some way off a primitive planet without letting the natives know who they are. There were funny moments, but not a lot. There was a heartfelt moment or two as well, but ultimately the episode just felt like a waste of time. Particularly because it wasn't about any of the characters in the show.

I did like the ending though, UNTIL T'Pol pulled out the handbag. I would have much rather it been left up in the air as to whether or not she was screwing with them.

teacake · February 6 2011, 12:52 AM

I love Carbon Creek. Mestral is a fantastic character and I think we need a "Eugenics Wars" style novel about his life on earth and through history. The acting is excellent, the sets too.. I still crack up at the Moe joke. One of the best of Enterprise.

I am Surak · February 6 2011, 05:10 AM

Bishop76 wrote:

I did like the ending though, UNTIL T'Pol pulled out the handbag. I would have much rather it been left up in the air as to whether or not she was screwing with them.

So you finally watched it.

Bishop76 · February 6 2011, 05:55 AM

I had seen it before and I haven't watched it in probably 2 or 3 years now - I didn't like it then, I don't like it now - the only part that I thought was good was the prologue where we see the "big 3" of Enterprise having some fun together and the first part of the epilogue where Trip and Archer are left wondering if T'Pol was full of shit or not. I would have rather they left the audience wondering the same thing. Would have been kind of fun.

Hathaway Brown · February 6 2011, 12:43 PM

Not a bad episode, it seemed to suit its purpose as a light relief style episode. There have been far far worse "serious" episodes in other Trek series.

JiNX-01 · February 6 2011, 08:56 PM

teacake wrote:

I love Carbon Creek. Mestral is a fantastic character and I think we need a "Eugenics Wars" style novel about his life on earth and through history. The acting is excellent, the sets too.. I still crack up at the Moe joke. One of the best of Enterprise.

There are few things I like about CC, but generally speaking, it's around the middle of my least favorite episodes.

Mestral ("I Love Lucy is on tonight") was my favorite. And I'm sure a lot of people will spit out their teeth at the idea, but I think they could have had some fun with the coda by having Mestral arrive on the West Coast and the first person he befriends is Gene Roddenberry.

Pemmer Harge · February 6 2011, 08:59 PM

It was the first episode of Enterprise I really liked. It was fun.

toughlittleship · February 6 2011, 09:09 PM

teacake wrote:

I love Carbon Creek. Mestral is a fantastic character and I think we need a Eugenics Wars; style novel about his life on earth and through history..

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Mestral_(short_story)

teacake · February 7 2011, 05:37 AM

toughlittleship wrote:

teacake wrote:

I love Carbon Creek. Mestral is a fantastic character and I think we need a Eugenics Wars; style novel about his life on earth and through history..

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Mestral_(short_story)

Not a short story, an EPIC story like Cox's Eugenics Wars novels! He can weave Mestral into his already established Eugenics Wars characters too.

But I want a novel of the E2 crew as well by Cox, 100 years on the alternate Enterprise. Actually just give me a series set on the ship with Lorian as the Captain. Drag in Jolene to play Old T'Pol and start it with the second generation.. that way if you do use some actors from ENT they can already be older.

Those are two great untold stories of ENT.

Shatnertage · February 7 2011, 05:42 AM

I like "Carbon Creek" a lot. It was way better than "Carpenter Street," which I often confuse it with because of the moderately-similar names.

Smellincoffee · February 7 2011, 09:20 AM

I liked it, but I tend to enjoy offbeat episodes like that.

BlobVanDam · February 7 2011, 09:53 AM

I liked it a lot. It was clearly a cheaper filler episode, so I took it for what it was, but was pleasantly surprised.
It reminded me a bit of 11:59 from VOY, which I hated. But I liked Carbon Creek because of the culture shock aspect that always makes these types of things fun, such as Carpenter St, TVH, Year Of Hell etc. The fact it wasn't technically one of the cast didn't bother me as much as it did in 11:59. I thought the story was nice, and the characters worked well.
How a Vulcan managed to survive his life without being detected through any illness, accidental ear slips, Pon Farr sex-rage etc is beyond me.

One of the surprisingly good episodes of S2 for me.

Amasov · February 8 2011, 02:49 AM

I LOVED Carbon Creek. Very cool, charming little episode that told a nice story.

"I Love Lucy" is on tonight!

Mike Have-Not · February 8 2011, 03:19 AM

Bishop76 wrote:

I did like the ending though, UNTIL T'Pol pulled out the handbag. I would have much rather it been left up in the air as to whether or not she was screwing with them.

The thing is, left "in the air" about the vailidity of her story, I would've assumed she was BS'ing (I am a skeptic by nature, apparently), and I'm not sure how I would've felt about that :-p

February 6 2011, 12:41 AM	#1
Mike Have-Not Captain Location: SF Bay Area, North American Continent, Earth, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy	I really Like "Carbon Creek" I think it is my favorite episode of the series. I really liked T'Pol's character and acting in the story-telling scenes that frame the episiode, also. The way she left Trip and Archer hanging, thinking she'd been "pulling a fast one" on them. Very funny! How do Enterprise fans feel about this episode? __________________ "We're Niners" -Me, 'Trekkies 2'

February 6 2011, 12:49 AM	#2
Bishop76 Fleet Captain Location: Wisconsin	Re: I really Like "Carbon Creek" I think it's pretty awful in general. It was clearly made on-the-cheap and the writing was pretty bad. I think if you're going to stick Vulcans on earth in the 50s, you need to ramp up the comedy a bit more, otherwise we're just watching another episode where the "crew" (in this case the Vulcans) need to find some way off a primitive planet without letting the natives know who they are. There were funny moments, but not a lot. There was a heartfelt moment or two as well, but ultimately the episode just felt like a waste of time. Particularly because it wasn't about any of the characters in the show. I did like the ending though, UNTIL T'Pol pulled out the handbag. I would have much rather it been left up in the air as to whether or not she was screwing with them. __________________ Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

February 6 2011, 12:52 AM	#3
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: I really Like "Carbon Creek" I love Carbon Creek. Mestral is a fantastic character and I think we need a "Eugenics Wars" style novel about his life on earth and through history. The acting is excellent, the sets too.. I still crack up at the Moe joke. One of the best of Enterprise. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

February 6 2011, 05:55 AM	#5
Bishop76 Fleet Captain Location: Wisconsin	Re: I really Like "Carbon Creek" I had seen it before and I haven't watched it in probably 2 or 3 years now - I didn't like it then, I don't like it now - the only part that I thought was good was the prologue where we see the "big 3" of Enterprise having some fun together and the first part of the epilogue where Trip and Archer are left wondering if T'Pol was full of shit or not. I would have rather they left the audience wondering the same thing. Would have been kind of fun. __________________ Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

February 6 2011, 12:43 PM	#6
Hathaway Brown Lieutenant Location: Great Britain, United Earth	Re: I really Like "Carbon Creek" Not a bad episode, it seemed to suit its purpose as a light relief style episode. There have been far far worse "serious" episodes in other Trek series.

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February 6 2011, 08:59 PM	#8
Pemmer Harge Fleet Captain Location: Between the candle and the star	Re: I really Like "Carbon Creek" It was the first episode of Enterprise I really liked. It was fun. __________________ "I hate purity, I hate goodness! I don't want any virtue to exist anywhere. I want everyone to be corrupt to the bones." - Winston Smith

February 7 2011, 05:42 AM	#11
Shatnertage Rear Admiral Location: Boldly going everywhere.	Re: I really Like "Carbon Creek" I like "Carbon Creek" a lot. It was way better than "Carpenter Street," which I often confuse it with because of the moderately-similar names. __________________ I don't say 'sabotage.' You say 'sabotage.' I say 'sabataage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOTRxt-dIw

February 7 2011, 09:20 AM	#12
Smellincoffee Fleet Captain Location: Vulcan	Re: I really Like "Carbon Creek" I liked it, but I tend to enjoy offbeat episodes like that. __________________ "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.." - Commander Montgomery Scott.

February 7 2011, 09:53 AM	#13
BlobVanDam Fleet Captain Location: Australia	Re: I really Like "Carbon Creek" I liked it a lot. It was clearly a cheaper filler episode, so I took it for what it was, but was pleasantly surprised. It reminded me a bit of 11:59 from VOY, which I hated. But I liked Carbon Creek because of the culture shock aspect that always makes these types of things fun, such as Carpenter St, TVH, Year Of Hell etc. The fact it wasn't technically one of the cast didn't bother me as much as it did in 11:59. I thought the story was nice, and the characters worked well. How a Vulcan managed to survive his life without being detected through any illness, accidental ear slips, Pon Farr sex-rage etc is beyond me. One of the surprisingly good episodes of S2 for me.

February 8 2011, 02:49 AM	#14
Amasov Rear Admiral Location: Boston, MA	Re: I really Like "Carbon Creek" I LOVED Carbon Creek. Very cool, charming little episode that told a nice story. "I Love Lucy" is on tonight! __________________ YouTube http://www.youtube.com/FomorViceroy