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Old June 14 2012, 08:46 PM   #1
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Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

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So is he an obsolete old crow who resists change? Or what?
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Old June 14 2012, 08:48 PM   #2
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Re: Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

Just stupid.
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Old June 14 2012, 08:48 PM   #3
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Re: Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

Kills music? this old shit again?

iTunes regularly has music for sale that I can't find elsewhere, I've bought more music than I would have otherwise and I know several other people in the same position.

What's killing music sales at least are the stores that have a very half assed attitude and poor selection and do nothing to encourage sales.
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Old June 14 2012, 09:48 PM   #4
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Re: Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

I use iTunes some but really these two sources are better: Pandora, which has a great system for discovering a massive range of music in obscure genres (I use it to find Phillip Glass style minimalism and anything like Steve Reich or Robert Rich, which I call "space music"); and YouTube, which is a great place to hear and see a massive range of full-length classical performances for free (which is a great way to improve my own playing). There's simply no way a brick and mortar store could offer either.

If iTunes is killing off rock music, I couldn't care less. I have no interest in that genre. I didn't even know who the fuck Billy Corgan was, till I read the story.
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Old June 14 2012, 09:52 PM   #5
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Re: Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

I buy all my music AND movies from iTunes now. Far as I'm concerned, it's iTunes that's the future.
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Old June 14 2012, 09:59 PM   #6
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Re: Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

Tell me, what happened to The Smashing Pumpkins again?
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Old June 14 2012, 10:02 PM   #7
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For Corgan, there is a certain peer pressure on Facebook that stops people from expressing their real thoughts and feelings on topics.
Literally the biggest piece of horseshit I've ever read.
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Old June 14 2012, 10:22 PM   #8
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Re: Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

Temis the Vorta wrote: View Post
(I use it to find Phillip Glass style minimalism and anything like Steve Reich or Robert Rich, which I call "space music")
For a second I thought you meant "Steve Roach" who does what actually is called "space music" or at times "ambient".






At any rate, did a you tube search on Reich thinking maybe you'd gotten Roach's name mixed up, and found some of Reich's tracks. Really cool stuff, looking forward to more!
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Old June 15 2012, 01:55 PM   #9
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Re: Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

He's right that the attitude in mainstream rock music has evaporated since the days of RATM, he is wrong about everything else.

I am using mainstream to denote what is popular, not to describe the music, before anybody jumps on me for calling RATM mainstream rock...
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Re: Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

He sounds not particularly intelligent, and possibly mentally ill.
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Old June 15 2012, 04:35 PM   #11
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He sounds like someone who's pissed he can't shift millions of copies of every album anymore.

Still, I enjoyed the last Pumpkins album.
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Old June 15 2012, 04:44 PM   #12
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Facebook is the opiate of the masses, sure; this is news?

I may have missed a sentence or two, but I didn't get the sense that his complaints have much to do with concerns about depression of sales or incomes.

The Tom Morello quote makes Morello sound something like Woodie Guthrie as reimagined by Frank Miller.
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Old June 15 2012, 05:53 PM   #13
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I liked him better when he had hair.
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Old June 15 2012, 06:29 PM   #14
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Re: Billy Corgan: iTunes Kills Music

I don't see a problem with iTunes. In fact, iTunes probably has done a lot of good for the industry, including giving some bands exposure that people wouldn't have otherwise been aware of. I don't use it much for purchasing music as I use Emusic instead though.
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Old June 15 2012, 06:56 PM   #15
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I'm of two minds on this.Digital music, and digital media in general makes it easy to store, keep, copy, listen, and organize the music and media that you have. It's definitely many steps up from having physical media in may ways.

Here's the thing; I also think I see Corgan's side. first off, I'm not a fan of Smashing Pumpkins, but this guy is smart, and well-spoken, eloquent and able to express himself very well. Indeed, from what i read of the interview, I imagine much was cut out, because he usually has a lot to say on issues.

Think about his point. You get music on iTunes, which means, for the most part, people are not buying albums anymore. They sample each song for a minute, and only buy the ones that grab them I'm not saying this about everyone, but certainly the iTunes culture is very much enabling this kind of sampling of music. No one makes albums anymore (for the most part) because people are getting a tiny clip, paying a dollar if they like it, and overlooking a lot of music that didn't grab them right away. I think sometimes a one-minute sample is hardly enough to get a good picture. Listen to the song "BU2B' as featured on Rush's new album (not the single version) where they added a thirty second acoustic into to a very heavy song. If you listen to the sample, you'd have no idea that it was a hard rocking song.

Sad thing is where media is going. I predict that in a few years time, the idea of selling any media in a store will be archaic. Book, movies, music, video games.. why open up store fronts when all people need to to do is download them. It will go from these stores giving out license-to-download numbers (where the buyer has no physical media in hand when they leave the store but they'll download it later) to just having no stores at all. Sure, some people will always want physical media such as books and albums, but, like evolution of the species, the favorable (i.e. more popular traits) will win out of the minority traits over the long term, and a generation raised with digital media won't be going to teh store to buy this media. I mean.. look what happened to arcades. Once video games became better at home the arcade vanished.. despite the fact that the point of the arcade was more than video games, it was about social interaction. Who cares about that? People would rather download some EA game and battle other kids they don't even know and can't see.


I think it will take longer for digital media storefronts to become more and more obsolete than the arcades took, but I do believe ti will happen... so bands and artists won't be focusing as much on the craft as they might on just getting as much awesomeness packed into the one minute sample as they can. They want people to download the stuff, but the idea of trying something new and daring exciting is becoming lost.
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