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Old June 7 2012, 04:33 AM   #1
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Follow up on Elerians in TNG

We need to know what happened to the Elerians. If they eventually join the Federation, are they allowed off their home planet? Is every male who comes anywhere near them dosed with antidote? If they learn subtlety they might be able to take over the Federation anyway.
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Old June 7 2012, 07:31 AM   #2
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I think you might mean the Elasians.
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Old June 7 2012, 08:57 AM   #3
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Well, they don't cut off Kirk's private parts when they let him loose at the universe; I don't think there'd be much justification for gelding the Elasians, either. You just have to take your chances with them.

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Old June 7 2012, 08:58 AM   #4
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Re: Follow up on Elerians in TNG

The Elasians females can't use their tears, what happens next? Orion females can't use their pheromones, Earth females can't use our breasts?


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Old June 7 2012, 12:07 PM   #5
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OK, so now imagine a teenage Elasian woman going to a Federation school offworld. Better yet, remember they are conniving and seek power. So are they going to try and take over the Federation by stealth or not? And should they? How do humans keep most of the positions of power?
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Old June 7 2012, 12:23 PM   #6
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Re: Follow up on Elerians in TNG

David F. Weisma wrote: View Post
OK, so now imagine a teenage Elasian woman going to a Federation school offworld. Better yet, remember they are conniving and seek power. So are they going to try and take over the Federation by stealth or not? And should they? How do humans keep most of the positions of power?
One of the things I hate about Trek is this "one size fits all" attitude towards cultures. We only see one female Elasian, so we honestly have no idea how they vast majority would interact with Federation culture.
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Old June 7 2012, 01:43 PM   #7
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The Elasians females can't use their tears, what happens next? Orion females can't use their pheromones, Earth females can't use our breasts?


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For the record, I want Earth females to continue using their breasts.....and since I first saw TOS, as a boy, I always wanted to meet an Orion female as well. Just sayin'.
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Old June 7 2012, 03:27 PM   #8
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David F. Weisma wrote: View Post
So are they going to try and take over the Federation by stealth or not? And should they? How do humans keep most of the positions of power?
I don't think that the effects of Elasian tears would be universal, what I took from the episode was that with Humans the effects basically "wears off" after a certain period of time.

Kirk was given no cure, but after a few days he was no longer under Elaan's influence. While it charming to say that "the Enterprise was the cure." realistically Kirk's body simply stripped out or destroyed the chemical transmitted in the tears.

From that point forward, Kirk perhaps was completely immune to re-exposure.

So the effects upon the various males (and females?) of the federation's many species could vary, from total through non-existent.

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Old June 7 2012, 11:59 PM   #9
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David F. Weisma wrote: View Post
OK, so now imagine a teenage Elasian woman going to a Federation school offworld. Better yet, remember they are conniving and seek power. So are they going to try and take over the Federation by stealth or not? And should they? How do humans keep most of the positions of power?
One of the things I hate about Trek is this "one size fits all" attitude towards cultures. We only see one female Elasian, so we honestly have no idea how they vast majority would interact with Federation culture.
But based on the exchange between Spock and McCoy we are lead to believe that Elasian males are vicious and arrogant and Elasian females are supposed to have a kind of subtle, mystical power that drives men wild, based on the scientists that made the initial investigation of the Elasians.

I would think the scientists observed more than 1 Elasian male and more than 1 Elasian female before making their conclusion about the Elasians behavior.


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Captain's Log: Stardate 4372.5. On a top-secret diplomatic mission, the Enterprise has entered the Tellun star system. Maintaining communications blackout, we have taken aboard Petri, Ambassador from Troyius, the outer planet, and are now approaching the inner planet Elas.

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KIRK: Some desk-bound Starfleet bureaucrat cut these cloak-and-dagger orders.

SCOTT: Aye, but why the secrecy? This star system's under Federation control.

SPOCK: It's in a border area, Mister Scott. The Klingons also claim jurisdiction.

SCOTT: From what I've seen, it's not worth fighting about. Why are we here, Captain?

KIRK: My orders are to co-operate with Ambassador Petri in all matters pertaining to his mission here.

UHURA [OC]: Bridge to Captain Kirk.

KIRK: Scotty. (Scott presses the intercom button) Kirk here. What is it?

UHURA [OC]: Captain, I have a signal from the Elasians. They're ready to beam aboard, and they demand an explanation for the delay.

KIRK: Demand? What delay? All right. Beam them aboard.

SPOCK: Sounds typical of the Elasians. The scientists who made the initial investigation reported the men were vicious and arrogant.

MCCOY: That's just the negative part, Mister Spock. I've been over those records. Now the women, they're supposed to be something very special. They're supposed to have a kind of subtle, mystical power that drives men wild.

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Old June 8 2012, 12:33 AM   #10
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Re: Follow up on Elerians in TNG

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Well, they don't cut off Kirk's private parts when they let him loose at the universe; I don't think there'd be much justification for gelding the Elasians, either. You just have to take your chances with them.

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Kirk was a proven commander of a starship,...mission after mission who brought te ship back in one piece ..so to speak. IMO the CMO of any starship would have knowledge now of the "antidote" to the tears the Elasian women produce.
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Old June 8 2012, 01:04 AM   #11
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Well, I am not thinking of Starship Captains. Suppose Elasians want to manipulate men of the Federation with wealth or power to benefit their home world. I suppose they should keep the relationship secret, so some busybody doesn't dose their lover with antidote.
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Old June 8 2012, 02:39 AM   #12
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Re: Follow up on Elerians in TNG

David F. Weisma wrote: View Post
Well, I am not thinking of Starship Captains. Suppose Elasians want to manipulate men of the Federation with wealth or power to benefit their home world. I suppose they should keep the relationship secret, so some busybody doesn't dose their lover with antidote.
In my mind it would have to have a follow-up story that would interest me. So far we have nothing.
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Old June 8 2012, 11:29 AM   #13
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Re: Follow up on Elerians in TNG

I would think the scientists observed more than 1 Elasian male and more than 1 Elasian female before making their conclusion about the Elasians behavior.
On the other hand, if they did study more than zero Elasian females, their findings (or at least their subsequent reporting thereon) can safely be dismissed as worthless...

I wonder if the tears of the males render human (and other) females equally helpless?

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Old June 9 2012, 05:34 AM   #14
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I'm pretty sure not Timo, I seem to remember some justification where the females need that defense because of physical weakness.
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Old June 15 2012, 07:38 PM   #15
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If it evolved within their species, it must have had some evolutionary advantage. Maybe one female with extra-strong tears could attract a harem of males, brainwashed into monogamy, thus depriving other females of breeding possibilities.

The strong-tears females would be like the alpha wolf in a pack, the only one who breeds, thus perpetuating the trait. Either the other females would have to evolve to compete or their genes would die out. It actually makes a lot of sense.
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