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Old August 11 2012, 11:27 PM   #361
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Re: The All-New DALLAS!

Loved the finale. The Dallas return has really surprised me. I was a fan of the old one when i was a kid. I didnt watch every episode of course. It was on late and there was always school. But had fond memories of all the talk it generated among my parents and other family members. So i was not going to miss this show. So I was excited for this but skeptical.

The last scenes of the finale along with Johnny Cashs, God's Gonna Cut You Down were excellent. Favorite scene was the pull away of JR and John Ross. Cant get better than that.

January should be here before we know it.


Oh did anyone watch the tnt roundup afterwards? Larry Hagman has regained some weight now. He looked great. I hope he is able to stay with the show for some time. Its great seeing him on a weekly show again.
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Old August 12 2012, 06:32 PM   #362
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Re: The All-New DALLAS!

Gotta admit, Ann is a matriarch that Miss Ellie would've been proud of.
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Old August 13 2012, 12:41 AM   #363
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Has she shot JR?

My shot guy this, and my shot gun that, but the worst she has done is stick her foot up his ass.
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Old August 13 2012, 03:22 AM   #364
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Re: The All-New DALLAS!

She hasn't shot J.R. yet, but we're only at the end of the first season. There's at least 15 more episodes wherein Ann could potentially shoot him.
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Old August 13 2012, 03:46 AM   #365
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Gotta admit, Ann is a matriarch that Miss Ellie would've been proud of.
Yeah, you kinda picture her sitting in a rocking chair with a glass of wine after Ann puts somebody in their place and telling Bobby, "I like her, Bobby; I really do."
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Old August 13 2012, 06:34 PM   #366
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Has she shot JR?

My shot guy this, and my shot gun that, but the worst she has done is stick her foot up his ass.
Not JR, but the one time she did fire the thing it was at John Ross snooping around after hours. She didn't see his face.
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Old August 14 2012, 03:55 AM   #367
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Re: The All-New DALLAS!

It's been a while since I saw that episode; I thought it was someone (a ranch hand? someone from his drilling crew?) John Ross paid to break into the house and steal whatever.
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Old August 14 2012, 06:30 AM   #368
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Re: The All-New DALLAS!

I don't think Ann actually shot him either. The next day, the Sheriff makes the comment "Next time, shoot him." -- we all laughed at this in this very thread at the time!
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Old August 14 2012, 01:18 PM   #369
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Re: The All-New DALLAS!

You're probably both right, but I'm saying she did fire the gun, so it's not like she's never done it.
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Old August 14 2012, 07:18 PM   #370
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She hasn't shot J.R. yet, but we're only at the end of the first season. There's at least 15 more episodes wherein Ann could potentially shoot him.
This should be like Kenny on South Park, Ann shoots JR every week. Okay sometimes she might miss.
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Old August 14 2012, 07:21 PM   #371
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You're probably both right, but I'm saying she did fire the gun, so it's not like she's never done it.
The only time I remember Ann being near a gun that was fired was when Tommy and Rebecca were out on the range shooting bottles, only to be joined by Ann midway to tell Rebecca to come back to the house.

Other than that, I don't recall Ann actually firing a gun at all.
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Old August 15 2012, 07:06 AM   #372
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She shot (at?) a burglar in the pilot.

Started watching Everwood the other night.

She likes playing dead women a little.
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Old August 15 2012, 08:20 AM   #373
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She didn't shoot at the burglar in the pilot though. She got the gun and was about ti shoot at him when he was running away. Unless she shot at him while he was in the house, but I don't remember that happening.
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Old August 20 2012, 03:41 PM   #374
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^ "Who Did J.R. Shoot" ?

I'm a little surprised they showed us who got shot (Rebecca or Tommy). Unless they weren't sure about a second season when they were filming that episode.

The last 1st season episode seemed like more of a set-up for a potential next season.
I can see why'd they would do it that way. When this was brought back, it had been a little over two decades since the original series left the airwaves. Not counting the reunion movies ... though even there, the last one of those with the original cast was in 98, if I remember correctly.

Though the original series was a blockbuster in its day, they tried and tried to bring the show back - as a motion picture, with John Travolta as JR ... as a mini-series ... as a movie-of-the-week ... and every one of them stalled for one reason or another. Even with some of the original cast reprising their roles, it was a huge gamble. It could have bombed. Would audiences in 2012 still care about rich folks backstabbing each other? Although, that does seem to be the demographic for Bravo, with the "Real Housewives" series.

They wrapped up the bigger storylines, while planting seeds for new ones, hoping there would be a renewal. And, it worked. It was a gamble that paid off.

There were so many clues shown regarding Rebecca that I should have picked up on, but until she was in that hanger, I didn't piece it together. One of these days, I'll have to start a rewatch marathon of the original series and take notes. Maybe then I'll pick up on new stuff faster.

It has renewed interest - for me - in the original series. I just hope they redo the opening theme with an orchestra and show clips/faces with the new season. As I recall, they did the same sort of thing with the original - the first season (the miniseries) had random shots of the area, then with season 2 (or 3?) they used the actors.
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Old August 20 2012, 04:27 PM   #375
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Re: The All-New DALLAS!

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^ "Who Did J.R. Shoot" ?

I'm a little surprised they showed us who got shot (Rebecca or Tommy). Unless they weren't sure about a second season when they were filming that episode.

The last 1st season episode seemed like more of a set-up for a potential next season.
I can see why'd they would do it that way. When this was brought back, it had been a little over two decades since the original series left the airwaves. Not counting the reunion movies ... though even there, the last one of those with the original cast was in 98, if I remember correctly.

Though the original series was a blockbuster in its day, they tried and tried to bring the show back - as a motion picture, with John Travolta as JR ... as a mini-series ... as a movie-of-the-week ... and every one of them stalled for one reason or another. Even with some of the original cast reprising their roles, it was a huge gamble. It could have bombed. Would audiences in 2012 still care about rich folks backstabbing each other? Although, that does seem to be the demographic for Bravo, with the "Real Housewives" series.

They wrapped up the bigger storylines, while planting seeds for new ones, hoping there would be a renewal. And, it worked. It was a gamble that paid off.
This is also more and more the typical trend of serialized television shows these days, from LOST to True Blood to most shows on basic cable. Buffy and Angel did the same thing back in their day, as opposed to the straight out end/cliffhanger we are accustomed to on shows like TNG and the original Dallas.


There were so many clues shown regarding Rebecca that I should have picked up on, but until she was in that hanger, I didn't piece it together. One of these days, I'll have to start a rewatch marathon of the original series and take notes. Maybe then I'll pick up on new stuff faster.
It occurred to me last week that Cliff's plan makes perfect sense, in a way - the Ewings have been a constant pain in his side, all the way from teenage J.R. bullying Cliff at the Southfork Barbecue in 1955 in The Early Years, to Pam marrying in to the Ewing family, Rebecca Wentworth's death, Katherine's eventual descent in to villainy/madness, April's murder, etc. No wonder he wants to get back at the Ewings!

The thing I did wonder about - and will be very interested in seeing how they resolve next season, if at all - will be Cliff's relationships with Bobby and Christopher. When the original show ended, Cliff and Bobby were mostly on good terms with each other, and Cliff had established a fairly good role as uncle to Christopher as well. Something must have happened in the intervening 21 years to push Cliff in to this. Too, if Afton is Rebecca's mother, I don't see how she would be "in" on Cliff's plan as she, while having a somewhat colorful past, was never played as someone shady or villainous like Katherine or J.R. Lastly - the big piece of the puzzle that makes no sense (yet) is simply that being that Bobby and Cliff were on such friendly terms at the end of the series, why is it Cliff never introduced Bobby to his daughter?

In J.R. Returns, Cliff knows he has a daughter with Afton "somewhere out there" -- as established when Afton briefly returned to the original series in 1988. I can't remember if Cliff meets his daughter in those episodes or not, but it was a plot thread that was picked up again in J.R. Returns.

Being that the reunion movies have effectively been ignored/canceled out of continuity, it is entirely possible that Rebecca Sutter (who we now know was not really a Sutter) is Cliff's daughter, only referred to as "Miss Barnes" by Frank Ashkani (further suggesting that despite Cliff's raising/supporting Frank, he and Rebecca did not grow up together?)

It has renewed interest - for me - in the original series. I just hope they redo the opening theme with an orchestra and show clips/faces with the new season.
I've gotten used to the new visuals for the opening of this show, but my OCD still bugs me and I too would much prefer a recording done by an actual orchestra, not a computer. The old opening credits (see below) were such a brazen, in your face "announcement" in their day - loud, brassy music, heavy bass beats below them, and big shiny blocky fonts. The new series opening is trying to go for that same "flash," but does so half-heartedly I think. I would gladly sacrifice the tri-image credit for an orchestral recording.

I've been doing a slow rewatch this summer. There's a great scene in a season 6 episode, "Requiem" (right after Rebecca Wentworth's death) where Miss Ellie and Sue Ellen argue about the family, the fight for Ewing Oil between J.R. and Bobby (as stipulated in Jock's will), and the effect it will have on the next generation of Ewings, which I thought was delightfully prophetic of the new series main arc:


MISS ELLIE: Good morning, Sue Ellen.
SUE ELLEN: Good morning, Miss Ellie.
MISS ELLIE: Poor Bobby. Rebecca's death has been so hard on him.
SUE ELLEN: I'm sure it has.
MISS ELLIE: He looks worn out.
SUE ELLEN: Let me tell you something, Miss Ellie. I think it's about time your other son got a little sympathy too.
MISS ELLIE: What did you say?
SUE ELLEN: J.R. just lost the variance, thanks to Donna Krebbs.
MISS ELLIE: Sue Ellen, how can you compare those two things?
SUE ELLEN: Well, I feel terrible about Rebecca's death, but still...
MISS ELLIE: Still nothing. I'm astonished at you!
SUE ELLEN: My husband is very important to me, but this battle he's fighting is costing him.
MISS ELLIE: It's costing all of us. And you just don't understand how much. Think ahead, Sue Ellen. Twenty-five or thirty years ahead. I won't be here then. The fight won't be between J.R. and Bobby. It'll be between John Ross and Christopher. Think carefully, Sue Ellen. Your loyalty to your husband is a wonderful thing, but you're a mother too. And where will this all end?
Cynthia Cidre obviously saw this episode!

As I recall, they did the same sort of thing with the original - the first season (the miniseries) had random shots of the area, then with season 2 (or 3?) they used the actors.
Nope.

The mini series credits were presented the same way as those of most of the series:



The series mostly stayed with this format till 1989, when it changed to a newer format, abandoning the three-image panels for a more modern opening, used for the rest of the series and the reunion films:





^This also has the teaser for J.R. Returns, which given the whole point of the movie and how the series ended, is pretty fun.





Compared to the new, 2012 version ^

The only beef I have with that is that while David Jacobs is rightly credited as the creator of the original series, he pretty much left it after writing the pilot/miniseries and Leonard Katzman took over as showrunner for the entirety of the series (except for the dream season when he was edged out by Phil Capice) and The War of the Ewings (by then, Katzman had passed away)... It's a bit red-tape-y, but Katzman was responsible for the Dallas we all knew and loved just as much --if not more so -- than Jacobs. He should be credited as well.

Too, in an interview with RejectedFilmScores.com, Jerrold Immel elaborated on his theme for Dallas, which he composed and then summarily returned each season to re-orchestrate and re-record (which is why there are so many damn different versions of the theme!):

Was there ever any preassure to arrange the theme into a more regular orchestral way, once shows like "Dynasty" and "Falcon Crest" is themes started reigning in a new TV show theme era?

JERROLD IMMEL: No. "Dallas" was the original of the Prime Time Soaps (discounting "Peyton Place") of that era. The number one TV series in the world in 1980 and no one had any thought of making changes. In later seasons I did modify the Disco beat to make it more "contemporary dance".


Your theme has become one of the quintesential pieces of music from any TV series theme; how do you feel being rememberd all these years later for that work, and do you still get comments from fans on it?


JERROLD IMMEL: It remains the signature piece of music to my career. Many, many people of a certain age remember the Friday nights on CBS and the theme that called them to watch the show. LINK
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