The All-New DALLAS! - Page 13

Kestra · June 28 2012, 09:09 PM

I started watching this show but I feel pretty lost, like I'm supposed to know a lot more than I do. It's cool that they're honoring the original show but I'm probably just not the target audience!

Agent Richard07 · June 29 2012, 12:43 AM

When the show starts, I think... Wow, it's 2012 and I'm watching a new episode of Dallas. I can't believe it!

I'm enjoying the stuff with the younger generation more and more and I'm surprised at how fast things are advancing. I hope we get news on a second season soon.

doubleohfive · June 29 2012, 02:15 AM

I wasn't crazy about the beginning of last night's episode, mainly because it felt overly expository and had that whole cheesy soap opera "let's check in with each other" vibe. Once they got past that, it was back to the good fun.

Also: glad to see Sue Ellen again. I hope they give her more to do. Her whole line to J.R. about "You lost the right to dictate who I lunch with a long time ago," was classic Sue Ellen and Gray delivered that line perfectly.

Agent Richard07 · June 29 2012, 02:24 AM

I was surprised at how little Bobby knew about Christopher and Elena's plan to get married. But then again, they were planning to elope, meaning that their relationship was probably pretty private, so I can accept that little was said to dad until now.

doubleohfive · June 29 2012, 02:29 AM

It's a bit tough to believe Elena was there running around Southfork with the boys back during the original series, or that she was there early enough to know Pam as we never saw Elena or her mother (for obvious reasons, of course). I can live with that. I just wince a bit every time they mention Pam either by name or as Christopher's mother, especially in relation to Bobby, as if April never existed, let alone acknowledging that she was murdered.

Maybe it will come up, I don't know. I also think it's weird that Ray and Lucy keep showing up together at things. My friend who didn't know any better assumed they were a couple, which while ironic wouldn't exactly be kosher, you know? Where are Jenna and Mitch?

Agent Richard07 · June 29 2012, 02:38 AM

doubleohfive wrote:

It's a bit tough to believe Elena was there running around Southfork with the boys back during the original series, or that she was there early enough to know Pam as we never saw Elena or her mother (for obvious reasons, of course). I can live with that.

When the show started, I looked her up to see if there was a younger version of her character on the old show.

doubleohfive wrote:

I also think it's weird that Ray and Lucy keep showing up together at things.

They look like exactly what they are... Cameo appearances. I hope they do more with them at some point.

doubleohfive · June 29 2012, 02:46 AM

As do I. I know they're cameos; I just think it's weird. For the uninitiated, they look very much like they're a couple when they aren't. Last we knew, Lucy was married to Mitch and living in Atlanta and Ray was married to Jenna and they moved to Switzerland. Neither has said a word about either spouse in their appearances or why they're suddenly back in Dallas. It's just something that could easily be explained that isn't being addressed at all.

RJDiogenes · June 29 2012, 10:10 AM

Well, whatever happened probably happened 10 or 15 or 20 years ago, so it would be awkward to work it into the conversation.

Ar-Pharazon · June 29 2012, 11:48 AM

RJDiogenes wrote:

Well, whatever happened probably happened 10 or 15 or 20 years ago, so it would be awkward to work it into the conversation.

Especially if Ray is dating or married to his (half) niece.

Of course, it is a soap.

wissaboo · June 29 2012, 07:10 PM

I'm really just not buying that Bobby would sell southfork and just move on like this.

I am loving John Ross more and more with each episode though.

Peacemaker · June 29 2012, 07:18 PM

I agree. The one thing that strikes me as terribly weird is that Bobby is selling Southfork, which he inherited from Miss Ellie, who everybody on this show venerates like she's the Virgin Mary. Even with his attitude toward oil being essentially the opposite of that of JR, he's always loved the ranch. It makes sense he would sell it to a conservancy, but it doesn't make sense he'd sell it while still living, so quickly at that, and then move on. If anything, he could put it into a trust for his son and make Ray the conservator, since Ray is his half-brother. I'd rather see him fighting John Ross for it, with JR behind John Ross - which may be where they are going anyway, but it seems a little convoluted way to get there.

doubleohfive · June 29 2012, 07:26 PM

^Giving it to Ray (or perhaps Ray and Gary) makes the most sense, I agree. Ray was the foreman of the ranch for 20+years before leaving, and worked it before that.

And I do agree it is somewhat odd that Bobby would be giving up on the ranch seemingly so easily, but keep in mind too that he always loved Southfork as a home for a big family. Right now it's just he and Ann who live there. Well, and J.R. too... but in the glory days they had everyone -- Jock (and later Clayton) & Miss Ellie, Bobby and Pam, J.R. and Sue Ellen (and later Cally), Lucy, Jenna, Charlie, John Ross, Christopher, James & Michelle, April (though, briefly)... and Ray and Donna lived in their house for years just down the road.

I also have a hard time believing Ray and Lucy aren't staying at Southfork when they visit either, given their relation to the family.

So I can sort of see why he'd be disillusioned with the ranch after living there so long with just Christopher and Ann. You live in a big house with lots of people and then move out/ they move out, things start to get very lonely, even if you still have someone there with you. They touched on this particular characteristic of Bobby's in "J.R. Returns" but having moved out of a big house where I lived with my moderately large family for many years, the first time I lived on my own was somewhat disheartening if only for how quiet everything suddenly was. So I can believe that reasoning if that's where they're going with it.

Anywho, sorry to ramble... I do agree though that despite his not being a full Ewing (and not at all a Southworth (Miss Ellie's maiden name), Ray would be the ideal successor to be owner of the ranch.

Keep in mind also that Miss Ellie didn't bequeath Southfork to Bobby in her will. In the final season of the original series, Clayton comes back to Southfork (he and Miss Ellie had left the previous season to travel the world) to literally give Bobby the deed to the ranch himself, as per Miss Ellie's express wishes that he be the official and legal owner of the ranch -- while she was still living and of sound mind. Unsurprisingly, J.R. was not thrilled then, either.

wissaboo · June 29 2012, 07:32 PM

well Christopher is married now if that were the case it makes even less sense to sell it now that it could be full of children again. Trying to sell it at the wedding is actually a little bizarre.

doubleohfive · June 29 2012, 07:38 PM

But Christopher doesn't live at Southfork anymore. Nor does John Ross. They each have their own apartments in Dallas now.

It'd be a nice full circle kind of thing though if they moved back, whether at the behest of Bobby or J.R. I guess we'll have to keep watching!

wissaboo · June 29 2012, 08:29 PM

once christopher had kids I can see them moving in. Why not? Or them taking the ranch and bobby moving.

I was just thinking, wouldn't it have been interesting if John Ross was the good one and Christopher the evil one? it's kinda too easy they have both just adapted their father's roles.

June 28 2012, 09:09 PM	#181
Kestra Vice Admiral Location: somewhere beautiful	Re: The All-New DALLAS! I started watching this show but I feel pretty lost, like I'm supposed to know a lot more than I do. It's cool that they're honoring the original show but I'm probably just not the target audience! __________________ Dammit Jim!

June 29 2012, 12:43 AM	#182
Agent Richard07 The Tim Burton Version Location: Defying Logic	Re: The All-New DALLAS! When the show starts, I think... Wow, it's 2012 and I'm watching a new episode of Dallas. I can't believe it! I'm enjoying the stuff with the younger generation more and more and I'm surprised at how fast things are advancing. I hope we get news on a second season soon.

June 29 2012, 02:15 AM	#183
doubleohfive Fleet Admiral Location: Los Angeles, CA	Re: The All-New DALLAS! I wasn't crazy about the beginning of last night's episode, mainly because it felt overly expository and had that whole cheesy soap opera "let's check in with each other" vibe. Once they got past that, it was back to the good fun. Also: glad to see Sue Ellen again. I hope they give her more to do. Her whole line to J.R. about "You lost the right to dictate who I lunch with a long time ago," was classic Sue Ellen and Gray delivered that line perfectly. __________________ "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." -Voltaire

June 29 2012, 02:24 AM	#184
Agent Richard07 The Tim Burton Version Location: Defying Logic	Re: The All-New DALLAS! I was surprised at how little Bobby knew about Christopher and Elena's plan to get married. But then again, they were planning to elope, meaning that their relationship was probably pretty private, so I can accept that little was said to dad until now.

June 29 2012, 02:29 AM	#185
doubleohfive Fleet Admiral Location: Los Angeles, CA	Re: The All-New DALLAS! It's a bit tough to believe Elena was there running around Southfork with the boys back during the original series, or that she was there early enough to know Pam as we never saw Elena or her mother (for obvious reasons, of course). I can live with that. I just wince a bit every time they mention Pam either by name or as Christopher's mother, especially in relation to Bobby, as if April never existed, let alone acknowledging that she was murdered. Maybe it will come up, I don't know. I also think it's weird that Ray and Lucy keep showing up together at things. My friend who didn't know any better assumed they were a couple, which while ironic wouldn't exactly be kosher, you know? Where are Jenna and Mitch? __________________ "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." -Voltaire

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June 29 2012, 02:46 AM	#187
doubleohfive Fleet Admiral Location: Los Angeles, CA	Re: The All-New DALLAS! As do I. I know they're cameos; I just think it's weird. For the uninitiated, they look very much like they're a couple when they aren't. Last we knew, Lucy was married to Mitch and living in Atlanta and Ray was married to Jenna and they moved to Switzerland. Neither has said a word about either spouse in their appearances or why they're suddenly back in Dallas. It's just something that could easily be explained that isn't being addressed at all. __________________ "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." -Voltaire

June 29 2012, 10:10 AM	#188
RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Location: RJDiogenes of Boston	Re: The All-New DALLAS! Well, whatever happened probably happened 10 or 15 or 20 years ago, so it would be awkward to work it into the conversation. __________________ Please stop by my Gallery and YouTube Page for a visit. And read Trunkards!

June 29 2012, 07:10 PM	#190
wissaboo Captain Location: canada	Re: The All-New DALLAS! I'm really just not buying that Bobby would sell southfork and just move on like this. I am loving John Ross more and more with each episode though.

June 29 2012, 07:18 PM	#191
Peacemaker Vice Admiral Location: Time Vortex	Re: The All-New DALLAS! I agree. The one thing that strikes me as terribly weird is that Bobby is selling Southfork, which he inherited from Miss Ellie, who everybody on this show venerates like she's the Virgin Mary. Even with his attitude toward oil being essentially the opposite of that of JR, he's always loved the ranch. It makes sense he would sell it to a conservancy, but it doesn't make sense he'd sell it while still living, so quickly at that, and then move on. If anything, he could put it into a trust for his son and make Ray the conservator, since Ray is his half-brother. I'd rather see him fighting John Ross for it, with JR behind John Ross - which may be where they are going anyway, but it seems a little convoluted way to get there. __________________ Listen to my best friend's Podcast! DJ Mark Bisson Say my name, and every color illuminates!

June 29 2012, 07:26 PM	#192
doubleohfive Fleet Admiral Location: Los Angeles, CA	Re: The All-New DALLAS! ^Giving it to Ray (or perhaps Ray and Gary) makes the most sense, I agree. Ray was the foreman of the ranch for 20+years before leaving, and worked it before that. And I do agree it is somewhat odd that Bobby would be giving up on the ranch seemingly so easily, but keep in mind too that he always loved Southfork as a home for a big family. Right now it's just he and Ann who live there. Well, and J.R. too... but in the glory days they had everyone -- Jock (and later Clayton) & Miss Ellie, Bobby and Pam, J.R. and Sue Ellen (and later Cally), Lucy, Jenna, Charlie, John Ross, Christopher, James & Michelle, April (though, briefly)... and Ray and Donna lived in their house for years just down the road. I also have a hard time believing Ray and Lucy aren't staying at Southfork when they visit either, given their relation to the family. So I can sort of see why he'd be disillusioned with the ranch after living there so long with just Christopher and Ann. You live in a big house with lots of people and then move out/ they move out, things start to get very lonely, even if you still have someone there with you. They touched on this particular characteristic of Bobby's in "J.R. Returns" but having moved out of a big house where I lived with my moderately large family for many years, the first time I lived on my own was somewhat disheartening if only for how quiet everything suddenly was. So I can believe that reasoning if that's where they're going with it. Anywho, sorry to ramble... I do agree though that despite his not being a full Ewing (and not at all a Southworth (Miss Ellie's maiden name), Ray would be the ideal successor to be owner of the ranch. Keep in mind also that Miss Ellie didn't bequeath Southfork to Bobby in her will. In the final season of the original series, Clayton comes back to Southfork (he and Miss Ellie had left the previous season to travel the world) to literally give Bobby the deed to the ranch himself, as per Miss Ellie's express wishes that he be the official and legal owner of the ranch -- while she was still living and of sound mind. Unsurprisingly, J.R. was not thrilled then, either. __________________ "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." -Voltaire Last edited by doubleohfive; June 29 2012 at 07:38 PM.

June 29 2012, 07:32 PM	#193
wissaboo Captain Location: canada	Re: The All-New DALLAS! well Christopher is married now if that were the case it makes even less sense to sell it now that it could be full of children again. Trying to sell it at the wedding is actually a little bizarre.

June 29 2012, 07:38 PM	#194
doubleohfive Fleet Admiral Location: Los Angeles, CA	Re: The All-New DALLAS! But Christopher doesn't live at Southfork anymore. Nor does John Ross. They each have their own apartments in Dallas now. It'd be a nice full circle kind of thing though if they moved back, whether at the behest of Bobby or J.R. I guess we'll have to keep watching! __________________ "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." -Voltaire

June 29 2012, 08:29 PM	#195
wissaboo Captain Location: canada	Re: The All-New DALLAS! once christopher had kids I can see them moving in. Why not? Or them taking the ranch and bobby moving. I was just thinking, wouldn't it have been interesting if John Ross was the good one and Christopher the evil one? it's kinda too easy they have both just adapted their father's roles.