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Old October 6 2012, 06:20 AM   #121
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Re: IDW to publish post-Nemesis TNG Borg story, possibly Destiny

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Are you now saying/implying that Braga does infact read the novels?
Huh? Of course not, why would you think that? It's hardly unusual for different creators working in the same universe to arrive at similar ideas -- in fact, it's pretty much unavoidable. And it's not as if "the Borg eventually conquer the whole galaxy" is a difficult idea to come up with. I'm just suggesting that, while of course this comic is offering a separate interpretation than the novelverse does, the reader could choose to interpret it as an alternate timeline following the precedent that's already been laid out in the prose. Although, of course, I haven't read the comic yet so I don't know for sure whether that could work.
I was going by your "make of that what you will" comment and asked a question given your adamant assertion that television producers don't ever read books. Ever.

Anyway, the comic at hand, I picked it up earlier and I really liked it, having only ever really taken the time to buy and subsequently read the Doctor Who/Next Generation cross over, I don't have much to base this on, but I thought the art work was a lot better than that. I'm intrigued by the story and the fact that


I also liked the seventh fleet and trying to recognise the different Starships, The Titan looked a bit elongated and I'm sure a couple of the ships were from the Full Circle Fleet which were both little tips of the hat to the Novelverse.

I'm rather looking forward to seeing where this is all going.
Noticed that after I had looked at that page a few times and I was like what ship is that I seen it from. Where did you see Titan at because I never found her at all.
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Old October 6 2012, 01:20 PM   #122
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I was going by your "make of that what you will" comment and asked a question given your adamant assertion that television producers don't ever read books. Ever.
I made no such assertion. Obviously that would be a stupid thing to say, because television producers are as diverse as everyone else and nobody can generalize so glibly about the practices of the entire group. What I said is that on the whole, it's unlikely that a given TV producer would read tie-in novels, since they're very busy actually making their own show and that leaves little time for recreational reading. And if and when they do find the time, they'd probably prefer to read something that didn't remind them of their shows so that they could take a break for a while. Of course there can be exceptions, but on the whole, it's unwise to assume that any given TV producer is familiar with the tie-in novels based on their show.
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Old October 7 2012, 10:43 PM   #123
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I was going by your "make of that what you will" comment and asked a question given your adamant assertion that television producers don't ever read books. Ever.
I made no such assertion. Obviously that would be a stupid thing to say, because television producers are as diverse as everyone else and nobody can generalize so glibly about the practices of the entire group. What I said is that on the whole, it's unlikely that a given TV producer would read tie-in novels, since they're very busy actually making their own show and that leaves little time for recreational reading. And if and when they do find the time, they'd probably prefer to read something that didn't remind them of their shows so that they could take a break for a while. Of course there can be exceptions, but on the whole, it's unwise to assume that any given TV producer is familiar with the tie-in novels based on their show.
So in claiming you didn't say something, you go and underline your point by saying the same.

So have you read the comic? Do you have anything to say on that matter or just your usual pedanticness Chris?
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Old October 9 2012, 11:03 PM   #124
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So in claiming you didn't say something, you go and underline your point by saying the same.

There is a marked difference between something which is unlikely (as per Christopher's comments) and something which "blatantly absolutely does not happen. Ever." Which is essentially what you're accusing him of saying.

I'd suggest you learn to tell the difference, subtle as it may appear to you, and then try again.
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Old October 9 2012, 11:18 PM   #125
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*snip*
So in claiming you didn't say something, you go and underline your point by saying the same.

There is a marked difference between something which is unlikely (as per Christopher's comments) and something which "blatantly absolutely does not happen. Ever." Which is essentially what you're accusing him of saying.
Exactly. And Christopher would know better than most not to claim something like this would "never" happen, since his TOS novel Ex Machina was cited by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman as one of their favorite ST novels in a publicity interview for ST09.
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Old October 10 2012, 10:31 PM   #126
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*snip*
So in claiming you didn't say something, you go and underline your point by saying the same.

There is a marked difference between something which is unlikely (as per Christopher's comments) and something which "blatantly absolutely does not happen. Ever." Which is essentially what you're accusing him of saying.

I'd suggest you learn to tell the difference, subtle as it may appear to you, and then try again.
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*snip*
So in claiming you didn't say something, you go and underline your point by saying the same.

There is a marked difference between something which is unlikely (as per Christopher's comments) and something which "blatantly absolutely does not happen. Ever." Which is essentially what you're accusing him of saying.
Exactly. And Christopher would know better than most not to claim something like this would "never" happen, since his TOS novel Ex Machina was cited by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman as one of their favorite ST novels in a publicity interview for ST09.
So gents, read the comic then? What did you think of it? The art work, the actual story? Did you enjoy the first issue and are you looking for the rest of the series? I personally am, that final panel was bloodly brilliant.

Now, have you just both entered a thread to defend someone who clearly doesn't need defending and has a very articulate way with the English language as that's what it looks like from where I'm sat.

If Chris wants to say any more on the matter, I'm sure he would take the time to do so, that's cool with me, I actually know what he meant, how he meant it and how it came across. He has gone on record to say that TV producers never read media tie in books, or any books for that matter, then he implied that Braga has read one of his mediocre DTI novels, so, what, a month ago, I commented on it. To me it's not a big deal and I'm just replying because you Chris replied to me and you two gents decided to defend his honour or something before he came back and replied, if he replies because, it doesn't matter one single bit.

Although, ironies of irony, I've posted to your replies a good 24 hours after you two gents did.
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Old October 12 2012, 12:43 AM   #127
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No, I entered the thread to legitimately comment on Hive (what, did you think I decided "Dimesdan commented last, I must go and argue with him!", as opposed to entering a thread based on its title?!); so you can knock off the holier-than-thou, patronising request for opinions.

FYI: What I had intended to say regarding issue 1 was that I wasn't fond of the artwork and that (as others appear to agree) the story is a pretty blatant recycling of plotlines used before in one form or another through TNG and VOY. As such, I won't bother with #2.

But, you derailed things by making baseless accusations, which both Sci and myself rebuffed. Not to mention an undeservedly arrogant attitude in your responses to an accomplished Trek Lit author, and openly insulting him by way of your petty little "pedantic" jibe. I sincerely doubt you'd have the gall to act that way in real life, and if you do then shame on whoever dragged you up into adulthood!

You insist upon continually arguing that Christopher made a sweeping, absolute statement that Producers don't ever read tie-in products. This is quite blatantly not what he said, and your accusation is therefore false. Restating it ad nauseum will not make it magically come true. How is this hard to comprehend?

As far as his lack of a reply to you, consider: A) We don't all log in every day on these forums, due to Dreaded Real Life. B) He's possibly decided your lack of comprehension of even basic English is sufficient to warrant your argument as unworthy of taking the time to respond further.

If it's the latter, I'm inclined to agree. And about how that looks from where you're sat, I couldn't give a flying Shat's hairpiece.
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Old October 12 2012, 04:23 AM   #128
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I did reply, in post #122. I see no need to get into a circular argument when I've already made my point, especially when the facts speak for themselves.
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Old November 1 2012, 07:53 PM   #129
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Read the latest issue of Hive last night. Really rather enjoyed it, and I thought the way Seven was used made sense.
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Old November 2 2012, 02:14 AM   #130
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It didn't come out in the US -- I was told it would be out here next week.
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Old November 2 2012, 02:20 AM   #131
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The digital version is on Comixology, so I'm assuming the paper version must have come out too.
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The digital version is on Comixology, so I'm assuming the paper version must have come out too.
No, there was a week's delay in the publication of issue #2. It will be in shops next week.
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Old November 2 2012, 03:13 AM   #133
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I'm surprised they went ahead and released the digital version then. I thought they usually kept them lined up.
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Old November 2 2012, 04:00 AM   #134
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They usually do, but the delay on the paper edition came rather late this week, and the Comixology schedules are typically set a week in advance.
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That makes sense then.
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