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Old August 11 2012, 12:19 AM   #196
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Re: They are going ahead with a Justice League movie

Wait, what was wrong with the temple explosion sequence in BB?
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Old August 11 2012, 12:21 AM   #197
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For writing/directing a JLA movie how about... Kevin Smith?


Expect a cameo by him at least


-Starlabs employee?

-Blogger at the daily bugle?
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Old August 11 2012, 12:23 AM   #198
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Old August 11 2012, 12:53 AM   #199
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Wait, what was wrong with the temple explosion sequence in BB?
Step 1: Bruce takes a moral stand by refusing a command to kill a prisoner.

Step 2: To escape that situation, Bruce deliberately throws a hot poker into a munitions dump and causes a series of huge explosions that kill multiple people.

It is, to put it mildly, a mixed message.
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Old August 11 2012, 01:01 AM   #200
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For writing/directing a JLA movie how about... Kevin Smith?


Expect a cameo by him at least


-Starlabs employee?

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Daily Planet, surely
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Old August 11 2012, 01:07 AM   #201
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For writing/directing a JLA movie how about... Kevin Smith?

Kevin Smith is a one hit wonder. He hasn't really done anything great outside of his first movie, Clerks.
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Old August 11 2012, 02:22 AM   #202
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^I don't get the sense that most people are disappointed, except in the sense that it's not as great as TDK was. The consensus is that it has serious flaws but is also excellent in a lot of ways.
This has been my experience as well.
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Old August 11 2012, 02:28 AM   #203
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Wait, what was wrong with the temple explosion sequence in BB?
Step 1: Bruce takes a moral stand by refusing a command to kill a prisoner.

Step 2: To escape that situation, Bruce deliberately throws a hot poker into a munitions dump and causes a series of huge explosions that kill multiple people.

It is, to put it mildly, a mixed message.
Yeah, it's pretty much splitting hairs. "Well, I wasn't trying to kill anyone".
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Old August 11 2012, 03:10 AM   #204
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Wait, what was wrong with the temple explosion sequence in BB?
Step 1: Bruce takes a moral stand by refusing a command to kill a prisoner.

Step 2: To escape that situation, Bruce deliberately throws a hot poker into a munitions dump and causes a series of huge explosions that kill multiple people.

It is, to put it mildly, a mixed message.
Yeah, it's pretty much splitting hairs. "Well, I wasn't trying to kill anyone".
Did we ever find out what happened to the tied up farmer? Did he end up dying in that place? Bruce certainly didn't give a crap about him when shit started blowing up.
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Old August 11 2012, 03:42 AM   #205
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Kevin Smith is a one hit wonder. He hasn't really done anything great outside of his first movie, Clerks.
Similar arguments could be made with Joss Whedon. It could also be argued that Smith's "Dogma" had a measure of success or notability and he certainly has a good fan following.

And given the... "unusual" restrictions he was under for doing the "Superman: Lives!" script it's not too bad. His Batman comics aren't bad either and certainly introduced a very interesting villain (Onomatopoeia.)

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Wait, what was wrong with the temple explosion sequence in BB?
Step 1: Bruce takes a moral stand by refusing a command to kill a prisoner.

Step 2: To escape that situation, Bruce deliberately throws a hot poker into a munitions dump and causes a series of huge explosions that kill multiple people.

It is, to put it mildly, a mixed message.
Yeah, it's pretty much splitting hairs. "Well, I wasn't trying to kill anyone".
Yeah, Batman's "no killing" rule is... "Oddly" treated in the movies. Especially in "Begins" where he tells Ras "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you."

Um... Yes, you do, Batman. That's sort-of what a hero who "doesn't kill" does!

In one of the Batman comics Batman actually saved a mortally wounded Joker much to the annoyance of Gordon. Batman didn't cause the wound to the Joker and the Joker's death certainly would make Batman's life easier, Gordon's life a hell of a lot easier and Gotham a degree or two safer. But Batman's moral code wouldn't allow him to not-save someone who needed saving. Even if it was the Joker.

That, for me, is much more interesting and much more "Batman" than, "Well, I'm not going to kill you but I am going to do this random thing which might cause some deaths. That's the same thing, right?" and "Well, I'm not going to kill you but I'm not going to save you from a situation in which you'll die. So my moral conscious is free and clear, we good? Bye!"
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Old August 11 2012, 03:44 AM   #206
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Yeah, it's pretty much splitting hairs. "Well, I wasn't trying to kill anyone".
I'm not even willing to grant him that. He intentionally threw an ignition source into a large cache of explosives inside an occupied building. There's no way he didn't know that action would probably kill people, and he did it anyway, on purpose.
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Old August 11 2012, 03:51 AM   #207
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Bruce has never learned to mind his surroundings very well in the Nolan Trilogy
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Old August 11 2012, 03:55 AM   #208
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Kevin Smith is a one hit wonder. He hasn't really done anything great outside of his first movie, Clerks.
Similar arguments could be made with Joss Whedon. It could also be argued that Smith's "Dogma" had a measure of success or notability and he certainly has a good fan following.

And given the... "unusual" restrictions he was under for doing the "Superman: Lives!" script it's not too bad. His Batman comics aren't bad either and certainly introduced a very interesting villain (Onomatopoeia.)
Disagree. Whedon has shown much more talent with Buffy, Angel and Firefly along with his background as a comic writer before he made it big with The Avengers.
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Old August 11 2012, 04:30 AM   #209
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Disagree. Whedon has shown much more talent with Buffy, Angel and Firefly along with his background as a comic writer before he made it big with The Avengers.
He's shown talent, for sure. I don't disagree at all there. But look at it from the perspective of a movie studios and producers. What clout did he have there? Buffy and Angel. Firefly? Canceled. Dollhouse? Canceled. "Serenity" - not a successful run at the BO.

Whedon is very talented, for sure. And when he has as much control over something as possible he can do a great job. And Firefly's failure is almost entirely on bungling by Fox, but I'd hardly think he was a "sure thing" when it came to his history looking at it straight from a Success/Failure standpoint.

One thing going for him was the extreme fan following he had and that, well, Avengers was going to do good no matter what even if Uwe Boll made it. (Granted it wouldn't have done nearly as good in such a case.)

Point is, I think Kevin Smith could have as much, erm, "weight" to toss around as Wheedon at the very least when it comes to their connections with comics and their fan followings.
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Old August 11 2012, 04:40 AM   #210
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Poor Joss Whedon. He probably has the most misspelled name on the internet. I'm forever seeing "Wheedon," "Whendon," "Wheadon," "Wheldon," and that's not even counting all the people who refer to him as "Josh Wheaton" or whatever.

I swear, J. Michael Straczynski doesn't get his name mangled this much!

(Oh well. Rant over. As you were.)
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