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Old June 5 2012, 08:07 PM   #16
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Re: Star Wars live action series: how grownup is too grownup?

I would cheerfully give it a shot. However, my hunch is that it would end up being faux-dark, a la Stargate: Universe. That show is a good demonstration that it's easier to say, "let go real dark and gritty" than to pull it off successfully.
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Old June 5 2012, 08:27 PM   #17
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Re: Star Wars live action series: how grownup is too grownup?

I'm surprised Lucas is even worried about this. "Tone" is something he hasn't gotten right in any of the prequels. He constantly mixes goofy elements with really dark elements. He can't decide what kind of story he wants to tell.
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Old June 5 2012, 08:39 PM   #18
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Re: Star Wars live action series: how grownup is too grownup?

^ Couldn't agree less. He knew exactly what he wanted and unlike any other filmmaker out there he has the money to custom make the movie that he wants to see. Sorry you didn't like it, but don't chalk it up to indecision or ineptitude on Lucas' part.

Besides it's a moot point. Though he remains the owner, he no longer works at Lucasfilm. Kathleen Kennedy runs the joint now. He's finally on to those smaller, personal abstract films he's been talking about for 30 years now.
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Old June 5 2012, 09:23 PM   #19
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Lucas is retiring - there's hope he may just turn the whole shebang over to his employees, such as the ones who are working on The Clone Wars. They've got the right idea, and get the tone just right, keeping it mythic and heroic.

They've also got interesting ideas for expanding upon the metaphysics of the Force - the Mortis Arc is definitely the right idea, throwing out some cool ideas and awesome visuals, while not destroying the mystery by explaining everything in a straightforward way.

All they really need to do, is to take what they're currently doing and increase the complexity of the storytelling so that it has more appeal to grownups. But Star Wars always needs to have Jedi or Force users of some sort at the core of the story, at least one character. Just having it be about gangster and bounty hunters, eh, that wouldn't work. Sounds like Firefly.

He knew exactly what he wanted and unlike any other filmmaker out there he has the money to custom make the movie that he wants to see. Sorry you didn't like it, but don't chalk it up to indecision or ineptitude on Lucas' part.
Lucas' idea in the prequels seemed to be, to ignore the notion that Star Wars is in some mythical cosmos where there is an actual, literal, conflict between good and evil. He wanted the story to be about complex personalities and "real life" political wrangles. He even gave the Force a boring technobabble reason for existence.

In other words, if he had succeeded, he would have turned it into Star Trek. Hey, I love Star Trek but I don't want Star Wars to be that. The more important point is, he didn't succeed, he just made a mess.
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Old June 5 2012, 11:56 PM   #20
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Temis the Vorta wrote:
Lucas' idea in the prequels seemed to be, to ignore the notion that Star Wars is in some mythical cosmos where there is an actual, literal, conflict between good and evil.
Yep, no conflict between good and evil in the PT. Certainly not one with color coded weapons or anything like that, so we know who's who.
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Old June 6 2012, 12:33 AM   #21
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"Color coded weapons" is not my idea of profound storytelling. But it is a good illustration of the kind of infantile approach that helped make the PT suck.
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Old June 6 2012, 12:55 AM   #22
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"Color coded weapons" is not my idea of profound storytelling.
The color coding is just there to identify the good and evil factions for people who can't tell them apart without visual cues.
But the point wasn't that the battle between good and evil wasn't rendered in a "profound" enough way. It was claimed that it wasn't even there. I guess something like that is easy to miss when politics are involved and the audience automatically tunes everything else out, or when people sympathize with the wrong side.

In fact, the battle between good and evil also exists on an existential level in the PT, something which we do not see in the OT even though it appeared in the early scripts. The balance of the Force plotline makes the statement that the PT "ignores the notion that Star Wars is in some mythical cosmos where there is an actual, literal, conflict between good and evil" a ridiculous exercise in telling the exact opposite of the truth for no discernible reason.
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Old June 6 2012, 03:08 AM   #23
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I'm wondering if there's going to be any connection between this and 1313. Apparently that's going to be a dark and gritty, more mature take on the universe starring bounty hunters. That seems to be the way they're describing this too, and I can't help but wonder if that isn't a coincidence.
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Old June 6 2012, 03:46 AM   #24
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I doubt they would want to alienate the kid audience too much. Star Wars has always done well merchandising wise and no doubt this series will provide plenty of oppourtunities for said merchandise.
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Old June 6 2012, 11:40 AM   #25
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I'd be extremely disappointed if we finally got a live-action Star Wars tv series and my daughter and nephews couldn't watch it.
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Old June 9 2012, 03:48 PM   #26
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By the time it comes out they'll be old enough.
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Old June 9 2012, 06:10 PM   #27
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Is GL going to redo the OT yet again and have Sir Alec say "These are not the motherf****** droids you are looking for" to add a splash of grit, a shade of grey, and some much needed realism?
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