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A 27 11.64%
A - 32 13.79%
B + 43 18.53%
B 33 14.22%
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Old June 18 2012, 12:56 AM   #601
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Prior to the film's release, I was already skeptical of what this film was going to be simply because Lindelof's name was attached. Frankly, I think he ruined LOST.
I know we're ripping on the guy's script rewrite here, but to be fair, he was the co-creator/head writer of Lost, so I don't see how he could only get credit for "ruining" it (which I disagree with, even though it has many flaws that it shares with Prometheus) without also getting credit for building it up into an excellent series in the first place.
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Old June 18 2012, 01:07 AM   #602
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And anyone who's read the shooting script for Alien knows how much changed from page to screen. That was all Ridley Scott. We have yet to see the shooting script for Prometheus, so we don't know how much Scott changed on the set or in ADR/editing (or left on the cutting room floor for the Blu-Ray). Clearly if Scott wasn't happy with Lindelof's script, he would have thrown it out and hired someone else.
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Old June 18 2012, 01:17 AM   #603
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Regarding Guy Pearce, I can't help but imagine that he was cast to play the elderly Weyland because in the sequel, he'll be back as an android (or we'll at least see his younger self).
From what I heard, he was going to play the younger Weyland in THIS movie (ala flashbacks or other things), but things changed and he was already signed, etc, etc.
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Old June 18 2012, 01:48 AM   #604
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^ Or perhaps he had so much fun doing the TED 2023 viral video that they figured why let his appearance go to waste?



I mean, why go to all the trouble of shooting that, if it (and him) wasn't intended to be used?
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Old June 18 2012, 01:55 AM   #605
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Professor Zoom wrote: View Post
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Regarding Guy Pearce, I can't help but imagine that he was cast to play the elderly Weyland because in the sequel, he'll be back as an android (or we'll at least see his younger self).
From what I heard, he was going to play the younger Weyland in THIS movie (ala flashbacks or other things), but things changed and he was already signed, etc, etc.
I mentioned an interview that contained that tidbit of information earlier in the thread, and I just took a few minutes to track it down.

[...] as for why Weyland is played by Guy Pearce in old-man makeup, Spaihts says Damon Lindelof's script showed the android David going inside Weyland's dreams while he was in hypersleep — and in his dreams, Weyland is a young man, on a yacht surrounded by beautiful women. These dream conversations got cut, but Pearce's casting was already locked in. Scott had originally wanted to cast Max von Sydow as Peter Weyland. (In Spaiht's script versions, Weyland isn't aboard the Prometheus at all — instead, there's a hidden squad of company soldiers.)
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Old June 18 2012, 02:23 AM   #606
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Maybe Ridley's going to go back and shoot those dream sequences (or already did and cut them) for the Director's Cut?


So far, I can only count four known sequences (and strongly suspect four more) deleted, and they don't add up to 20-30 minutes:

1: Extended Opening (more Engineers, religious/sacrificial ritual)
2: (suspected) Shaw and Holloway's Camp (more fully sets up the characters, esp. Holloway, leads up to Shaw breaking through to the cave)
3: (suspected) Janek/Vickers Sex scene (yeah, RIGHT)
4: (suspected) Aftermath (Shaw confronts/attacks Vickers in the wake of Holloway's death, then doubles over - first indication something's wrong with her)
5: (suspected) Maternity Ward (While Weyland/Vickers have their heart-to-heart, David looks in on Shaw's "baby")
6: Extended Fifield Attack (happens as Weyland's party leaves the ship, Shaw's the one who runs Fifield over)
7: Extended Shaw/Engineer Fight
8: Extended Ending (Proto-Alien gets up and leaves the lifeboat, walking out amid the wreckage of LV-223 - the first of the planet's new race...)

Ridley could also stick the "TED2023" and "Shaw's Audition Tape" viral videos (in that order) in between 1 and 2.
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Old June 18 2012, 02:38 AM   #607
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Maybe Ridley's going to go back and shoot those dream sequences (or already did and cut them) for the Director's Cut?


So far, I can only count four known sequences (and strongly suspect four more) deleted, and they don't add up to 20-30 minutes:

1: Extended Opening (more Engineers, religious/sacrificial ritual)
2: (suspected) Shaw and Holloway's Camp (more fully sets up the characters, esp. Holloway, leads up to Shaw breaking through to the cave)
3: (suspected) Janek/Vickers Sex scene (yeah, RIGHT)
4: (suspected) Aftermath (Shaw confronts/attacks Vickers in the wake of Holloway's death, then doubles over - first indication something's wrong with her)
5: (suspected) Maternity Ward (While Weyland/Vickers have their heart-to-heart, David looks in on Shaw's "baby")
6: Extended Fifield Attack (happens as Weyland's party leaves the ship, Shaw's the one who runs Fifield over)
7: Extended Shaw/Engineer Fight
8: Extended Ending (Proto-Alien gets up and leaves the lifeboat, walking out amid the wreckage of LV-223 - the first of the planet's new race...)

Ridley could also stick the "TED2023" and "Shaw's Audition Tape" viral videos (in that order) in between 1 and 2.
Meh. I can't say a director's cut is going to make a lick of difference for me.... Maybe if it's on TV some day, or streaming on Netflix... if I stumble across it, might watch it... but it won't fix the problems I had with it.
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Old June 18 2012, 03:02 AM   #608
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I mean, why go to all the trouble of shooting that, if it (and him) wasn't intended to be used?
That faux TED clip is pretty much the only saving grace of all things Prometheus. That, and maybe the visual panache associated with Ridley Scott films.

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Old June 18 2012, 03:15 AM   #609
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I mean, why go to all the trouble of shooting that, if it (and him) wasn't intended to be used?
That faux TED clip is pretty much the only saving grace of all things Prometheus. That, and maybe the visual panache associated with Ridley Scott films.

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Old June 18 2012, 04:06 AM   #610
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I'm surprised at how ignorant people are on SF boards about real technology...most likely that was some sort of advanced nanotechnology as well as biotech involved.

Nanotech. Goo, would've been nice if they'd let anyone have a hint of what it was or why it does what it does. But that required more pacing and exposition. But all the people in audience on the up and up of "real technology" could figure it out. (Not general audiences, in other words.)

Instead, it's LEVIATHAN (even put it a wine bottle). It mutates things because it does. That's what's in the script. Or was that soy sauce someone spilled on a napkin?


There was a lot more than just Earth on the 3D map.

The cave maps, not the holo-map. Why did ancient Earth cultures have a "chart" to the space jockey version of bio-weapons facility? The only explanation I've heard that make any sense is that it was a warning (a dumb one) or a trap if humans ever got to space.

I don't think sleeping with the captain had anything to do with her dad...
I forget how ignorant people on SF boards are about reading deliberately obnoxious statements (like anyone really posts anything in all caps that is meant to be serious?)

It seemed they almost wanted to make Charlize's character sympathetic at one point (sleeps with Idris, seemed some revulsion after burning Noomi's boyfriend), then NO, SHE HAS TO DIE, SHE'S A BITCH. Making previous scenes inconsistent. Or hell, she's just horny. Don't let the corporate ice princess fool you, fellers, they are ready to spread 'em.


But what was her purpose again? Corporate bitch...with daddy issues. Her role could've been reduced to a corporate stooge ala Burke in ALIENS.

There's the idea she may be some sort of synthetic. She recovers from cryosleep quickly. Later, everyone else seems sick as dogs after waking. Of course, we don't know how long she was awake before Davey sees her.

Why did Noomi's Dr. Shaw think the engineers changed their minds about doing Earth in? The bomber pilot forgot to wake up. That's it. Dumb luck.

I wonder if the engineers knew that Predators came along and taught humans civilization? (Ridley disliked AvP, they stole too many of his prequel ideas and used them 10 years before he did!)
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Old June 18 2012, 11:42 AM   #611
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There's the idea she may be some sort of synthetic. She recovers from cryosleep quickly. Later, everyone else seems sick as dogs after waking. Of course, we don't know how long she was awake before Davey sees her.
It almost looks like she was initially written as a robot (a-la Ash in the original), and then the writer or director changed his mind, but forgot to tell the actress.
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Old June 18 2012, 11:45 AM   #612
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Even Scott's out-of-movie attempts at making the film seem profound fail to be consistent with what was actually in the film. Take the Space Jesus idea, for example...

With that bit now nice and explained, let's get to the bigger question -- what did we do to make God/our creators angry? Well, if you theorized that it was because we crucified Jesus, you win! Confirming that at one point the script explicitly spelled this out, Scott says that was the direction they were taking with the story -- at least at first. "We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose," he admits. "But if you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let’s send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayli...theus-20120614
Why would the Engineers be moved to destroy us because of our crucifixion of their emissary Jesus? Wasn't his sacrifice for the sins of man the whole point of Jesus' death? Isn't self-sacrifice to advance humanity's development the entire basis of the Engineer's philosophy as witnessed by the beginning of the film and their temple? So why be upset by the simple fulfillment of the most basic tenet of their belief system?
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Old June 18 2012, 12:36 PM   #613
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Meh. Even the much-vaunted visuals were so-so. The only thing I found mildly interesting was the David/Vickers/Weyland son/daughter/father stuff, and musings on soul, existence, dreams. Maybe should have waited for Blade Runner sequel.
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Old June 18 2012, 01:35 PM   #614
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In regards to the ending(s). It was luck the engineer pilot found Dr. Shaw in the escape ship, and luck her that the monster killed him. Because if the pilot had survived the tentacle beast, he'd have just hopped into another ship and attacked Earth.

Also, since when do aliens emerge from dead hosts? (The pilot Sure looked dead.) Sure, it not quite the xenomorph we are used, too, but it's also something else we can (have to) explain with the biotech goop.




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Old June 18 2012, 02:05 PM   #615
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In regards to the ending(s). It was luck the engineer pilot found Dr. Shaw in the escape ship, and luck her that the monster killed him. Because if the pilot had survived the tentacle beast, he'd have just hopped into another ship and attacked Earth.
Which begs the question why didn't he just take another ship and fly away. Are there no weapons of any kind on those ships, even something small that can blast the escape pod from the air?
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