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Old June 3 2012, 01:57 AM   #31
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Re: Tom Paris - awesome or vastly underused?

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I'm afraid Tom was extremely annoying to me and I should imagine to any crew under a similar situation with such a personality. People like that usually dont last it and either jump out or get focibly removed or worse - oh walk the plank pleeeeeaaaase Tom. He was the only thing that really got my goat about Voyager other then Harry's romantic endeavours that is.
Well, that was the whole point behind the character and why him and his father didn't get along. Besides Tuvok & Harry, the crew of Voyager could never serve on any ship within the AQ under the watchful eye of Starfleet because they were misfits with serious personality flaws.
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Old June 3 2012, 02:06 AM   #32
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And what was his thermonuclear final answer to his daddy question?

Setting Owen up with B'Elanna's mum Miral so that Toms daughter would become his niece, and when Owen screams his new brides name out in ecstasy, it's also his granddaughters name...

Can of worms.
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Old June 13 2012, 05:41 PM   #33
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Re: Tom Paris - awesome or vastly underused?

I think Tom was perfectly used! He had some good episodes with him at the centre, but also was a flexible character (being the nurse etc.) He didn't always seem to be the focus of the show, but had his moments!

He wasn't annoying, but he had a quirky persona. I loved the way he was into 20th century Earth (especially all the Holodeck stuff and the random quotes). Also, I loved the way he was like a big brother to Harry, and was really good with children

His relationship with B'Elanna was good, and they are my favourite Trek couple. They both had troubled childhoods, so this helped them be able to comfort each other.
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Old June 13 2012, 10:58 PM   #34
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I thought they did an ok job with his character....he and Torres were in an on-screen relationship for 4 years and I felt still managed to be good stand-alone characters. A lot of the trek relationships annoy me because one they get together the writers don't really know what to do with them so someone either dies, they break up, or they have tons of relationship drama like the Obriens. But in the spirit of full disclosure...I am a P/Ter.
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Old June 15 2012, 11:19 PM   #35
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Re: Tom Paris - awesome or vastly underused?

Actually, they did make him 1st Officer in "Unimatrix 1-2".

But I agree... I don't want him to usurp Chakotay's role EVERY episode.
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Old June 16 2012, 11:19 AM   #36
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First Officer? It's a frakking miracle he didn't make it to Captain in that episode.

He was also the first officer in Resolutions, but Kes acted more like she was the First Officer, since it was the XO's job to tell harry to Shut the Frakk up about his suicide kick to offer his kidneys to the Vidiian for the Wiff of chance that Kathryn will continue to underappreciate him..
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Old June 16 2012, 11:24 AM   #37
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Tom was awesome. The video does show up Tom's idea of what he'd like to be until being with B'Lanna makes him grow up.
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Old June 16 2012, 06:52 PM   #38
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First Officer? It's a frakking miracle he didn't make it to Captain in that episode.

He was also the first officer in Resolutions, but Kes acted more like she was the First Officer, since it was the XO's job to tell harry to Shut the Frakk up about his suicide kick to offer his kidneys to the Vidiian for the Wiff of chance that Kathryn will continue to underappreciate him..
Kes was the one who sold Tuvok on Kim's idea, or at least gave him a more comfortable out. But this episode doesn't take Tom seriously at all as a leader, which seems right to me. Most people love Paris it seems but he always came across to me as fundamentally weak.
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Old June 16 2012, 09:05 PM   #39
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Tom was awesome. The video does show up Tom's idea of what he'd like to be until being with B'Lanna makes him grow up.
Which episode was that with Tom, Tuvok, and B'Elanna fighting on the resort program?
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Old June 16 2012, 10:30 PM   #40
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That fight with the hula girls on the holodeck would be season 3, Alter Ego, as I recall.
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Old June 17 2012, 02:45 AM   #41
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First Officer? It's a frakking miracle he didn't make it to Captain in that episode.

He was also the first officer in Resolutions, but Kes acted more like she was the First Officer, since it was the XO's job to tell harry to Shut the Frakk up about his suicide kick to offer his kidneys to the Vidiian for the Wiff of chance that Kathryn will continue to under appreciate him..
Kes was the one who sold Tuvok on Kim's idea, or at least gave him a more comfortable out. But this episode doesn't take Tom seriously at all as a leader, which seems right to me. Most people love Paris it seems but he always came across to me as fundamentally weak.
I badly expressed half of what I was thinking as usual.

Crew does not approach the Captain Directly.

Subordinates tell their superiors facts/information/suggestions, who pass it on to their superiors if it seems worth their time, who passes it on to the XO if it seems worth his time, who passes it on to the Captain if it seems worth his time.

What I should have said is that the XO (Tom?) should have told Kim to shut the fuck up, and then if Kim's idea isn't full of pooh that's going to get them all killed, it's the XO who should appraoch the Captain with the idea to get butchered by the Vidiians.

Kim jumped queue and said FU to the chain of command.

It's no wonder no one wanted to promote him if he kept pissing on his immediate superiors to brownnose the Captain.

Kes took a shitty idea and made it significanty less suisidal.

She always nearly seduced Tuvok. Another 40 seconds and he would have had her pants off if she had asked... Kim just RANTED and RANTED treating everyone like an idiot who disagreed with him...

Oh.

I'm Kim?

Fuck.
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Old June 20 2012, 02:02 AM   #42
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Re: Tom Paris - awesome or vastly underused?

I know this thread has been here for a few weeks and if this was brought up, my apologies, but why can't he be both. Paris was awesome, and vastly underused. I still consider the relationship between him and Torres to be the best Trek relationship of the franchise.
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Old June 24 2012, 11:37 PM   #43
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I've been having some seriously erotic dreams about him lately.

That said, we need some more Tom Paris lovin
I just think he's awesome, and as the series goes on, we see him less and less and it makes me sad. HaHa.

By the way, thought we needed a little imagery.


He used to be so hot. Not so much these days. HaHa.
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Old June 25 2012, 12:46 AM   #44
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Is this abnormal?

Do you normally have humorously erotic dreams about Turkey Platter?
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Old June 25 2012, 01:35 AM   #45
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Is this abnormal?

Do you normally have humorously erotic dreams about Turkey Platter?
First off, nothing about these dreams are humorous. Second off, no, I do not normally have erotic dreams about Turkey Platter.
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