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Old August 18 2013, 09:07 PM   #271
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Got that right, Bub!

Kick-Ass 2 works! And it works because of the brutality and stakes involved!

Most superhero stories have stakes that are completely nonsensical. Loki wants to conquer the world. The Joker wants to burn down Gotham. Lex Luthor wants to sink an entire state to make beachfront property in Arizona.

What kind of stakes are those?

The Motherfucker wants to hurt Kick-Ass by killing everybody he ever loved. It's a classic revenge story and his methods are appropriately brutal. The violence in Kick-Ass 2 services the story.

I consider this a nice change. Superhero stories are hypocritical in their violence. A bunch of invincible people hitting each other and knocking buildings down and nobody ever gets hurt. It's all sanitized. Fake. Plastic. Generic.

They pander to the desensitized.

The reason Kick-Ass 2: The Comic works is because it is REsensitizing. It portrays real world violence. Yes it portrays it in an OTT way but rape, mass shootings, animal violence, bombings...

Is it offensive?

Yes!

Is it horrifying!

Yes!

But you know what?

Violence is offensive!

Violence is horrifying!

And thatís how it should be portrayed!

Superhero movies and comics glorify violence on a monthly basis!

Kick-Ass 2 makes violence ugly and thatís exactly how it should be! Itís one hell of a REsensitizing book and itís no surprise that there are people who hate it.

Desensitization is easier.
I completely agree with those points and they are the very reason why the second book sucks so much. All of these points were already made in the first book.
The only new thing that KA2 brings to the table is even more extreme violence.

They wanted to cash in on the success of the first book but instead of making it original and interesting, they took the easy and cheap way out by simply adding rape and toddler killing to the recipe and be content with that.
That's just lazy.
Kick-Ass 2 is just not for everyone, that's all. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it's lazy at all.

Spoilers for the comic follow:

The violence is supposed to be ramped up. Dave's world is slowly being destroyed around him because of who he chooses to be (Kick-Ass). The girl he likes is raped, his dad is killed, a guy he meets and looks up to is brutally killed as well (Colonel Stars). His idealized world is essentially destroyed.

That's the point, of Kick-Ass 2.
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Old August 18 2013, 09:43 PM   #272
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It is definitely not for everyone. I loved the first movie, and I was hugely disappointed with this one. In fact, I have to say I didn't like it at all.

I didn't care about any of the characters, the pacing was off, it was sadly lacking the dark humour of the first movie, and I was bored throughout. I hate saying this, because I did love the first one so much...but there is just nothing in this one to make me recommend it to anyone. The RT score of 28% seems fair to me.
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Old August 18 2013, 10:18 PM   #273
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I saw both the first one and the new one for the first time this week and really couldn't say there was much difference between the two.

The biggest difference was the Banana Splits theme...
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Old August 18 2013, 10:52 PM   #274
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Lyndsey Fonesca is one of the major leads in Nikita, so that might be why she wasn't in much of Kick-Ass 2. It's been a while, but I think there were several episode of Nikita this season where she wasn't in much, this must be why.
I could see her not being in Kick-Ass 2 much because of Nikita. But I doubt Nikita kept her from Kick-Ass 2, she was only on set for a few days of filming. Maybe that would keep her out of one episode...but not several.
I haven't seen KA 2 yet, so I can't comment on it, but I do remember being surprised when she seemed to be playing a reduced role in some earlier episodes of Nikita's season. I'll admit I don't remember them real well so it could have been less dramatic than I was thinking when I made my last post.
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Old August 19 2013, 01:50 PM   #275
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I saw it on Friday and it was good fun.
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Old August 19 2013, 05:54 PM   #276
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Kick-Ass 2 only made $13 million this weekend. On a $28 million budget I still think it will be a financial success.
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Old August 19 2013, 06:14 PM   #277
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I plan on seeing it this afternoon. The score was released digitally over the weekend as well, but a deluxe score from La La Land comes out I believe tomorrow.
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Old August 20 2013, 05:40 AM   #278
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I really wish they would spread out the big releases over the year more. I probably would go see this if there weren't so many other movies I want to see more coming out around it.
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Old August 21 2013, 04:41 PM   #279
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Looks like Kick Ass took the top of the charts here in the UK.
1. (-) Kick-Ass 2 - £2,482,187
2. (-) Planes - £1,735,940
3. (-) 2 Guns - £1,423,738
4. (3) Grown Ups 2 - £1,119,025
5. (4) The Conjuring - £973,073
6. (5) Monsters University - £892,945
7. (1) Alan Partridge: Alpha Papa - £852,967
8. (7) The Smurfs 2 - £836,599
9. (2) Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters - £834,538
10. (11) Despicable Me 2 - £768,575
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Old August 21 2013, 09:09 PM   #280
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Remind me, what exactly is a profit according to studios? Is it just making back your production budget? Or is it making back twice of your production budget?

If it's the latter, KA2 may not turn a profit till it hits video, if that.
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Old August 21 2013, 09:25 PM   #281
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There's no sure fire level for profitability, all depends on how the film was financed, marketed, deals done with product placement, how long they're in cinemas, etc. But some how the yard stick seems to be 1.5 to 2 x the budget. No doubt Universal will see it as a disappointment but with worldwide take it'll wash its face on box office, at a guess.
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Old August 25 2013, 10:16 PM   #282
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Well, it was a good movie, but I had some serious fundamental problems with the changes they made from the comic. Kick-Ass is supposed to be basically be a loser, but the movie is ripped and muscular and heroic and gets to nail the hottest girl in school AND a super hero AND Hit Girl kisses him at the end? Isn't that kind of defeating the entire point of this story as an anti-comic book story?

And his other best friend is directly responsible for his father being murdered, but nobody ever mentions this at the ending?

Mother Russia was awesome though. Her fight with Hit-Girl was great.

It's too bad they didn't just make a more faithful adaptation. The story as-is was hilarious and good.

So, are we to assume that Night Bitch was NOT gang-raped by a group of super villains then? They show her in the hospital but don't really say...
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Old August 25 2013, 10:28 PM   #283
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And his other best friend is directly responsible for his father being murdered, but nobody ever mentions this at the ending?
Overall I didn't mind the changes they made to the book, but I absolutely hated this. It just ruined the character of Todd and made him look like a moron. I also didn't care for the new actor either, but had Todd been written a bit better it wouldn't have been too much of an issue.


So, are we to assume that Night Bitch was NOT gang-raped by a group of super villains then?
I think that's exactly what we're mean to assume.
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Old August 26 2013, 09:47 AM   #284
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No sequel? Kick Ass 2 has a disastrous 68% second weekend drop!
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It's too bad they didn't just make a more faithful adaptation. The story as-is was hilarious and good.
Eh, I kinda wish it was less faithful. Oh well.
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