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View Poll Results: Should Voyager have started using the First Contact uniforms?
Voyager should have started using the First Contact uniforms 18 43.90%
Voyager should have kept using the same uniforms throughout the series. 23 56.10%
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Old May 22 2012, 12:46 AM   #1
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Should Voyager have started using the new uniforms?

After First Contact, DS9 started using the FC uniforms. After the Pathfinder Project established regular contact between Voyager and Starfleet, there would be communications between officers in different uniform styles. Should Starfleet have sent the uniform pattern to Voyager? Should Command or Janeway have required the crew to wear the updated uniforms to maintain uniformity across the fleet? Were the new uniforms never used simply to save on Voyager’s budget?
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Old May 22 2012, 12:55 AM   #2
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Re: Should Voyager have started using the new uniforms?

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It seems like every time I turn around I'm recycling her clothes back into the replicator.
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KEIKO: Every night, Miles leaves his socks on the floor. When we got married, I made the mistake of picking them up a few times. Then I realised, if I kept it up I'd be doing it the rest of my life. So I stopped, figuring he'd get the point and do it himself. One night goes by, two, a week, ten days. By now there's a pile of socks half a metre high.
O'BRIEN: Come on, it wasn't half a metre.
KEIKO: After two weeks I couldn't stand it any more. I bundled them up and put them in the cleaning processor. And I'm still doing it.
O'BRIEN: And a very good job she does of it, too.
The only thing stopping them was J... Actually? Chakotay, whosoever is in the XO position, is more directly in control of the crew than Janeway.
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Old May 22 2012, 06:33 AM   #3
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Re: Should Voyager have started using the new uniforms?

I thought the First Contact uniforms were ugly. And there was nothing wrong with keeping the old uniforms. At least they were uniforms.

As for cleaning/replicating clothing, I suppose that depends on the item, what resources are available, and what the individual's personal preferences are. I gotta wonder how Seven could possibly be "fresh as a daisy", considering she never removed her catsuit except on the holodeck - not even between work/regeneration/work shifts. Maybe Borg nanoprobes kept her clean?
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Old May 22 2012, 06:48 AM   #4
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Re: Should Voyager have started using the new uniforms?

I always assumed that the cleaning process included, by definition, 'breaking down' the old uniforms and replicating new ones, every time. Thus it would be a trivial task to get Voyager's computers to use the new uniform patterns vs. the old ones.

Although I don't really care that they didn't do this. I thought that VOY used the old unis just so the show could maintain its unique style. And that's OK. I wouldn't have *expected* them to adopt the new ones, but it'd make in-universe sense if they had.
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Old May 22 2012, 07:16 AM   #5
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Regeneration could clean?

I doubt that Anika only has one set of clothes.

Although, she doesn't seem to have a wardrobe cabinet, and she regenerates in her clothes and then heads directly to work form that position...

Einstein, found a look he liked and then bought 30 identical sets of clothing.

Ditto for Seven?
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Old May 22 2012, 10:20 AM   #6
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Re: Should Voyager have started using the new uniforms?

I thought the FC uniforms looked good in FC, but I got bored of them really quickly in DS9.

Voyager's uniforms have always looked incredibly dull to me (still a step up from Next Gen, which, aside from Picard's jacket, just looked plain BAD). I much preferred some of the designs used in concept art in "A Vision of the Future" (or was it "The Art of Star Trek"?), which seemingly influenced Star Trek Online's costumes.

So, I'd prefer neither, and that they wore good costumes.
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Old May 22 2012, 10:54 AM   #7
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I'm surprised Tom didn't acquire 300 "I'm with Stupid" T-Shirts when they were rummaging through Historic LA.
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Old May 22 2012, 06:00 PM   #8
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Re: Should Voyager have started using the new uniforms?

Irregardless of our personal taste in uniforms (I like the FC uniforms myself), the issue is should they have used them as members of Starfleet.

My thought is, once they established contact with Starfleet via Pathfinder, they would have started using the new uniforms to maintain fleet uniformity and because it would be a morale booster, making the crew feel they were still members of Starfleet and keeping up with their collegues. It was odd seeing Janeway talking to Admiral Paris and company while in different uniforms; I'm surprised Paris didn't order a change.

It wouldn't have required any extra effort to use the new uniforms since Starfleet could send the replicator program in the data stream. Then, as uniforms were exchanged in the replicator, they swap them out. In both DS9 and Generations, we saw officers wearing different uniforms during a transition period.
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Re: Should Voyager have started using the new uniforms?

It was most likely just a decision by the show runners. They probably thought viewers would get confused if they saw VOY with the new uniforms.
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Old May 22 2012, 06:55 PM   #10
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maybe there was some back slap over on ds9?

The the realy reason is that the show runners wanted a series that could be aired out of order and it still wouldn't offend the casual superficial tourists.
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Old May 23 2012, 04:06 PM   #11
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I'm glad they didn't switch to the new uniforms. That was something they could look forward to once they got home and officially rejoined the fleet.
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Old May 23 2012, 05:16 PM   #12
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The change from the DSN style uniform to the FC uniform was the least of the issues VOY had.
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Old May 24 2012, 02:54 AM   #13
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^No argument here. I still thought it was an interesting topic.

We could always move along to where did they keep all those shuttles and how did the Delta Flyer get out the door!?!
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Old May 24 2012, 02:54 AM   #14
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The change from the DSN style uniform to the FC uniform was the least of the issues VOY had.
Agreed.
If your morale is going to be based on the latest fashion in uniform you wear, then you've got deeper issues that need dealing with.
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Old May 24 2012, 03:11 AM   #15
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I always assumed that the cleaning process included, by definition, 'breaking down' the old uniforms and replicating new ones, every time. Thus it would be a trivial task to get Voyager's computers to use the new uniform patterns vs. the old ones.
That would be an incredible waste of energy. As long as the item is still intact and serviceable, why not just clean it instead of using up extra energy to recycle it and make a new one?

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Regeneration could clean?

I doubt that Anika only has one set of clothes.

Although, she doesn't seem to have a wardrobe cabinet, and she regenerates in her clothes and then heads directly to work form that position...

Einstein, found a look he liked and then bought 30 identical sets of clothing.

Ditto for Seven?
No, of course she didn't only have one set of clothes. She alternated among her brown, blue, and pinkish catsuits for most of her time on the series. She only wore the silver one in the first couple of episodes after she was de-Borgified.

The only place where I've ever seen the issue of her privacy addressed is in a fanfic I recently read: Janeway ordered her to lock the cargo bay door while she was dressing/undressing, to spare any more hapless Ensigns the embarrassment of seeing her naked when they walked in without knocking (no, it wasn't Harry; it was an even more hapless Ensign, whose name escapes me because he wasn't a canon character that I can recall).

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^No argument here. I still thought it was an interesting topic.

We could always move along to where did they keep all those shuttles and how did the Delta Flyer get out the door!?!
I simply speculate that over the decades since "By Any Other Name" (TOS episode about the Kelvans), Starfleet figured out how to apply their shrinking stuff into powdered dodecahedrons to the problem of storing large objects in small spaces (inorganic things). So whenever Chakotay crashed another shuttle, they just took a new one out of the supply closet, zapped it, (or added water and stirred, however it worked), and presto!
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