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Old May 24 2012, 02:39 AM   #76
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Yet House had jimmied the dental records.
This is where this whole thing falls apart for me and why I'm doing a at the fake death/switched dental records thing. Christopher's explanation before this post seems to make the most sense to me as to the sequence of events in the warehouse.

But then you have the dental records thing. So, Ok, he did it before the autopsy. So we're supposed to believe that House was able to break in to HIS dentist, get his dental records, and then somehow he found the dead guy's dentist and was able to break in there and switch those records. All without getting caught. And that's just implausible to the point of being totally ridiculous to me and made me want to throw stuff at the TV. Before or after the trip to the warehouse, it doesn't matter, it's ridiculous either way.

Ok maybe someone can make the argument that he didn't break in, but he bribed somebody at both ends. Ok somewhat more plausible, but still strains credibility. Just how in the hell did he find the dead guy's dentist?
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Old May 24 2012, 03:12 AM   #77
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Ok maybe someone can make the argument that he didn't break in, but he bribed somebody at both ends. Ok somewhat more plausible, but still strains credibility. Just how in the hell did he find the dead guy's dentist?
I already said. "The dead guy" had been his patient mere days before. I think some people are overlooking that -- the corpse wasn't just some random junkie who happened to be in the building, he was the Patient of the Week. So naturally House had full access to his medical records, had his team ransack the guy's place of residence, etc. Given how thorough and invasive he is in researching his patients' lives and medical histories (or in making his team do so), it's not remotely hard to believe that he would've known who this man's dentist was.
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Old May 24 2012, 03:54 AM   #78
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What might be a little harder to believe is that the pain-wracked cripple managed to run all the way thru a big burning building from the front door and out the back door.

But I guess fire nipping at your ass is a good incentive.
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Old May 24 2012, 03:56 AM   #79
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If he was still feeling the effects of the drugs he did he may not have been in much pain.
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Old May 24 2012, 07:58 AM   #80
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Wouldn't that explosion have killed him too? When I watched it at the time and the ceiling collapsed I thought he's ok and then boom! I thought he'd be a goner for sure.
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Old May 24 2012, 02:50 PM   #81
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Ok maybe someone can make the argument that he didn't break in, but he bribed somebody at both ends. Ok somewhat more plausible, but still strains credibility. Just how in the hell did he find the dead guy's dentist?
I already said. "The dead guy" had been his patient mere days before. I think some people are overlooking that -- the corpse wasn't just some random junkie who happened to be in the building, he was the Patient of the Week. So naturally House had full access to his medical records, had his team ransack the guy's place of residence, etc. Given how thorough and invasive he is in researching his patients' lives and medical histories (or in making his team do so), it's not remotely hard to believe that he would've known who this man's dentist was.
Sorry but medical records do not equate dental records. I just had surgery not too long ago, they don't ask ANYTHING about your dental history or who your dentist is.
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Old May 24 2012, 03:11 PM   #82
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Sorry but medical records do not equate dental records. I just had surgery not too long ago, they don't ask ANYTHING about your dental history or who your dentist is.
I bet they didn't break into your house and go through your stuff either. As I already said, House's team routinely goes far beyond mere medical records in learning about their patients.
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Old May 24 2012, 03:24 PM   #83
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Oh hell, BATMAN couldn't have gotten away from that fire/explosion and planned ahead enough to fake his death, much less a crippled 50-something in a drug-addled stupor.

But what the hell, the show hasn't been very realistic for several years now. As long as it's fun.
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Old May 24 2012, 03:37 PM   #84
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Sorry but medical records do not equate dental records. I just had surgery not too long ago, they don't ask ANYTHING about your dental history or who your dentist is.
I bet they didn't break into your house and go through your stuff either. As I already said, House's team routinely goes far beyond mere medical records in learning about their patients.
Exactly. Not getting the patient's dental records for one of House's patients would be a good way to be called an idiot.

ll, BATMAN couldn't have gotten away from that fire/explosion and planned ahead enough to fake his death, much less a crippled 50-something in a drug-addled stupor.
Just goes to show. House is better than Batman.



It's a final episode in a show where House has already gotten away with vastly more than he should have been able to over the course of just the last 8 years. That he was "somehow" able to survive the explosion and fake his own death is just another drop in the bucket (and another allusion to Holmes who also survived a similar impossible to survive "death".) It gets a "final episode" hand-wave.
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Old May 24 2012, 03:46 PM   #85
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um, why the hang up over House's ridiculous plot?

If you wanted realism from "House," then the show's plot ended years ago with House in jail and his medical license revoked for one of a myriad of "stunts" that he pulled.
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um, why the hang up over House's ridiculous plot?

If you wanted realism from "House," then the show's plot ended years ago with House in jail and his medical license revoked for one of a myriad of "stunts" that he pulled.
Or "a" year ago since that's how this season began/last season ended.
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Old May 24 2012, 04:13 PM   #87
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Sorry but medical records do not equate dental records. I just had surgery not too long ago, they don't ask ANYTHING about your dental history or who your dentist is.
I bet they didn't break into your house and go through your stuff either. As I already said, House's team routinely goes far beyond mere medical records in learning about their patients.

Fine, we'll have to agree to disgree. For me, it was just ridiculous and cringe-worthy and I expected better from the writers.

But as others have said, the show has steadily gotten more ridiculous and more over-the-top as the seasons have gone by, so I suppose it's not unexpected that they would pull a totally implausible rabbit out of their hats.

For me, it was an unfortunate manner in which to end this series. Your mileage may vary.
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Old May 24 2012, 04:17 PM   #88
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That he was "somehow" able to survive the explosion and fake his own death is just another drop in the bucket (and another allusion to Holmes who also survived a similar impossible to survive "death".) It gets a "final episode" hand-wave.
Well, let's consider that there are different types of explosion. When it comes to fires like this, there are two possibilities, deflagration and detonation. A deflagration is a rapid burn but one where the burn propagates subsonically, so there isn't much of a pressure wave generated. A detonation is a supersonic explosion which generates a far more potent shock wave and does much more destruction. Now, since this was a special-effects explosion, just a billow of flame that didn't involve a lot a force or blow out the whole side of the building, we can assume that it was merely a deflagration -- probably what firefighters call a flashover, a sudden eruption that occurs in a fire in a tightly enclosed space when flammable gases build up to the right density to trigger ignition (Mythbusters viewers should be familiar with the principle). A flashover generates huge amounts of heat, but not as powerful a shock wave as a detonation, so it is theoretically survivable. However, survival requires diving to the ground and insulating yourself very effectively from the extreme heat, and from what I can find online, even the best firefighting gear provides only about 14 seconds' grace period to get out of a flashover environment.

So House surviving if he was in the building at the moment of the deflagration is highly unlikely but not impossible. Maybe the floor gave way beneath him and he ended up in the basement, and was thus protected from the flashover on the ground floor.

But the most likely explanation is that he managed to get to the back door just before the flashover occurred. Since the danger came only from heat and not from shock waves, he could've been standing right next to the door and not been killed by overpressure shock or shrapnel. It didn't look like he had time to reach another exit before the deflagration, but that could've been a trick of editing, suggesting Wilson and Foreman's subjective perception of the event. Certainly the depiction of the deflagration was unrealistic; it probably wouldn't have had that loud a "kaboom" sound and would've entailed a lot more smoke. So there's some poetic license at play here (as there always is in cinematic explosions).
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um, why the hang up over House's ridiculous plot?

If you wanted realism from "House," then the show's plot ended years ago with House in jail and his medical license revoked for one of a myriad of "stunts" that he pulled.
Or "a" year ago since that's how this season began/last season ended.


No, you missed my point. House had done a myriad number of illegal things long before the "drove a car into Cuddy's house" fiasco that would have resulted in him getting sued into oblivion/losing his license to practice medicine/landed him in jail.

Realism was not this show's strong point. I watched it for the medical mysteries and the clever dialogue, not because of its gritty realism.
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Ah. Gotcha.
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