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View Poll Results: Rate Plagues of Night.
Outstanding 59 52.68%
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Average 11 9.82%
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Old June 5 2012, 03:17 PM   #256
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Re: Typhon Pact: Plagues of Night by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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I do not believe DS9 will be destroyed, but if it is, I would be okay with it.
It's not the station's destruction I would object to (well, maybe the way it went out, having difficulty with three attackers when its held off a fleet before), but the wiping out of the vast majority of the cast. Killing Kira, or Ro, or Kas, or Bashir, or Serena, or Quark (maybe?), or any two of those plus a new cast member (I like Chief Blackmer) would be one thing - and I'm completely comfortable having Vaughn not come back - but all of them at once? Be one loooonely DS9 series, just Sisko and Prynn.
They could always bring O'Brien back.
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Old June 5 2012, 04:29 PM   #257
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I tell you what, poor Sisko cannot catch a break, how much pain and sorrow can one Captain take!?
I didn't know you wrote country music.
Seriously, lol, his life sounds like a country music song! I am hoping that this chain of events might bring some DS9 characters back together on the station, like O'Brien and Sisko. It might be a pipe dream, but I still dream of it anyway.
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Old June 5 2012, 05:42 PM   #258
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I tell you what, poor Sisko cannot catch a break, how much pain and sorrow can one Captain take!? I hope that the Prophets will have mercy on him and give him some grace and happiness soon.
For a moment, I read take! as Takei...
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Old June 5 2012, 07:08 PM   #259
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I tell you what, poor Sisko cannot catch a break, how much pain and sorrow can one Captain take!? I hope that the Prophets will have mercy on him and give him some grace and happiness soon.
For a moment, I read take! as Takei...
Oh my...
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Old June 5 2012, 08:12 PM   #260
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I could easily envision a scenario where Enterprise and Robinson stop the attack on DS9...but a great portion of it has been destroyed or will be destroyed.
That wouldn't work.
So, Chris, I'm guessing you finished it. Any thoughts?
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Old June 5 2012, 08:24 PM   #261
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I could easily envision a scenario where Enterprise and Robinson stop the attack on DS9...but a great portion of it has been destroyed or will be destroyed.
That wouldn't work.
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Old June 6 2012, 02:33 AM   #262
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Speaking for myself I have been immensely pleased with the direction that the whole Typhon Pact storyline has been taking. It has fleshed out beautifully some of Trek's least developed races (The Gorn and Breen in particular) it has given a refreshing new direction to the long ongoing storyline of the Reunification movement on Romulus and has moved DS9 in sync with the rest of the books.

When I read RBOE I wept for Sisko. The despair the man was in was palpable. It has gladdened me to see him start to work through that some even while trying to do what he believes is the right thing.

The thing that I have never understood (and I believe I said as much back when in the RBOE thread) is how people do not understand how the dramatic process works. If everything is just dunky hory all the time then there is no story, or at least not one worth reading. Is seeing Sisko go through all of this hard? Yes for myself and many others. But the point is to see what happens as he goes through it and comes out the other side.

Now as for people who have wanted to keep carrying on about what Avery Brooks "wanted" well here's the thing. Mr. Brooks I firmly believe was only speaking in the very narrow context of the only part of Sisko's journey that he cared about. Namely the part that appeared on television with him playing Sisko. I do not believe he thought for even half a second about what may or may not happen in novels or comics, or video games, or what have you. So in his mind when the series ended that was the end of Sisko. And you know what? For a LOT of people it was. There are lots and lots of people who have never, and will never pick up a Trek novel. For all kinds of reasons. Even if they are really into the shows (or a particular show) they just aren't going to do media tie ins. It was for those people that Mr. Brooks did not want to have their last impression of Benjamin Lafayette Sisko to be of him (a person of color) going off to pursue his own aims leaving his wife to shift for herself with a child on the way. His reasons were right and understandable. But they have bugger all to do with where writers choose to take Sisko in future adventures on the printed page.

Further more I think that since RBOE was clearly only the beginning of the latest part of Sisko's story it was horribly premature of people to act as if he had left Kasidy and their daughter to fend for themselves for all time. Once again without tension and conflict there is no drama.

Now as to Plagues, well personally I was amazed that DRG3 managed to recap enough of the other relevant novels without me getting bored, and he also managed to kind of rescue (for the moment at least) Sarina Douglas for me. Because in the other TP novel in which she appears (and yes that means I don't recall the title and I don't feel like looking) she kind of came off as cold and manipulative. But in Plagues I get a sense that perhaps she's not as much in lockstep with 31 as her handlers want to think.

Overall there was much to love. And if the current Praetor survives past the conclusion of this duology I'll eat raw Sehlat meat.
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Old June 6 2012, 03:38 AM   #263
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Overall there was much to love. And if the current Praetor survives past the conclusion of this duology I'll eat raw Sehlat meat.
:-(

At this point, either Tomalak and Sela have to go, or Kamemor does. Can she pull it off? I can only hope.
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Old June 6 2012, 06:06 AM   #264
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Overall there was much to love. And if the current Praetor survives past the conclusion of this duology I'll eat raw Sehlat meat.
:-(

At this point, either Tomalak and Sela have to go, or Kamemor does. Can she pull it off? I can only hope.
I quite agree for a number of reasons...

1: It would be a refreshing change from the (by this point rather hackneyed cliche) standard portrayal of Romulan leaders as war mongering bigots with an overinflated sense of Romulan Exceptionalism.

2: Sela was pretty much tiresome from the first time she appeared and has never grown less so for me. To be honest I don't think much of Denise Crosby as an actor. She seems like a nice enough person and all but she's always left me more than a little cold in whatever role she's been cast.

3: Okay... Here's the thing. I know this is dumb. I really do. But frankly at this point Tomalak just feels like an insult to Andreas Katulas. I think the characterization of him as a competent but unimaginative officer (bordering on being a dullard and boor) is perfectly valid, bit given that the actor who played the character was a man of intelligence, sophistication, and charm (based on everything I've heard or read about the man) who created in G'Kar one of the most memorable characters in all of science fiction film or television I'd just rather that Tomalak die so I don't have to "look" at him any more.
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Old June 6 2012, 09:37 AM   #265
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Finished last night, very good book and can't wait for the continuation...

Not to give anything away but maybe not everything is as it seems? Certainly one of the characters who people above said must have died is mentioned in the blurb of the next book anyway...
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Old June 6 2012, 09:54 AM   #266
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Overall there was much to love. And if the current Praetor survives past the conclusion of this duology I'll eat raw Sehlat meat.
:-(

At this point, either Tomalak and Sela have to go, or Kamemor does. Can she pull it off? I can only hope.
I can't see Kamemor being bumped off just yet. In 2387, Spock was the Federation Ambassador to Romulus (I can't imagine him still being called "Ambassador Spock" if it's a job he hadn't done since before "Unification"), and I can't imagine that happening unless there's a friendly face in charge of the Empire.
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Old June 6 2012, 10:54 AM   #267
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Overall there was much to love. And if the current Praetor survives past the conclusion of this duology I'll eat raw Sehlat meat.
:-(

At this point, either Tomalak and Sela have to go, or Kamemor does. Can she pull it off? I can only hope.
I quite agree for a number of reasons...

1: It would be a refreshing change from the (by this point rather hackneyed cliche) standard portrayal of Romulan leaders as war mongering bigots with an overinflated sense of Romulan Exceptionalism.
It's open to question whether Romulans themselves are especially interested in an aggressive foreign policy at this point in their history.

2: Sela was pretty much tiresome from the first time she appeared and has never grown less so for me. To be honest I don't think much of Denise Crosby as an actor. She seems like a nice enough person and all but she's always left me more than a little cold in whatever role she's been cast.
One element of Indistinguishable from Magic that I quite liked was the novel's humanization of Sela, its portrayal of her as a vulnerable person who was capable of ruthless but effective decision-making. I'd hoped that, maybe, the events of the novel might have shifted her towards more productive stances.

But, well. Even though the Gamma Quadrant adventure went south badly and unexpectedly (if not unimagnably), it was her adventure.

3: Okay... Here's the thing. I know this is dumb. I really do. But frankly at this point Tomalak just feels like an insult to Andreas Katulas. I think the characterization of him as a competent but unimaginative officer (bordering on being a dullard and boor) is perfectly valid, bit given that the actor who played the character was a man of intelligence, sophistication, and charm (based on everything I've heard or read about the man) who created in G'Kar one of the most memorable characters in all of science fiction film or television I'd just rather that Tomalak die so I don't have to "look" at him any more.[/QUOTE]

Tomalak was never a subtle character, but he, too, bears responsibility for the mission going so badly wrong.
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Old June 6 2012, 11:04 AM   #268
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Finished last night, very good book and can't wait for the continuation...

Not to give anything away but maybe not everything is as it seems? Certainly one of the characters who people above said must have died is mentioned in the blurb of the next book anyway...
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Old June 6 2012, 01:02 PM   #269
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I can't see Kamemor being bumped off just yet. In 2387, Spock was the Federation Ambassador to Romulus (I can't imagine him still being called "Ambassador Spock" if it's a job he hadn't done since before "Unification"), and I can't imagine that happening unless there's a friendly face in charge of the Empire.
Not necessarily. As you acknowledge, Spock was an ambassador long before he started going to Romulus. After leaving Romulus he could've been assigned as the Federation's ambassador to a different world/nation, or as an ambassador at large. Ayel and the Jellyfish computer do identify him as "Ambassador Spock," but nobody in the movie ever says that he was the ambassador to Romulus specifically.

Of course, I do home Kamemor survives. TNG-era Romulans have never been particularly interesting bad guys to me. They've been most interesting in the stories that have explored their more benevolent side. I would like to see the current friendly UFP-Romulan relations endure.
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Old June 6 2012, 01:50 PM   #270
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Why would Spock automatically have to still be an active ambassador for the Federation to retain the honorific of 'Ambassador Spock'?

I'm currently on page 136 of the book and am really enjoying things so far. Some thoughts on what I've read:
* I really like the contrast that's being drawn between Praetor Kamamor's agenda and worldview and the agendas and worldviews of the other prominent figures of the governments of the other TP members

* I found it somewhat surprising that Ro sees her relationship with Vaughn as being a sort of surrogate father/daughter relationship because, from what I remember, there's no real indication of this in any of the previous DS9-R stories

* I'm interested to see if we get more information on - or get to see more of - the new DS9 crew members that DRGIII introduces; I'm also interested to see if we get to see Ro interact with Desca and if we get any info about how the return to the 'Starfleet CO/Bajoran Militia XO' command structure model works in the post Bajor-as-a-Federation-member climate

* I loved the interaction between Ro and Quark, and think these two have a great and very intriguing and interesting relationship in the post-WYLB DS9-R stories and am glad to see that it at least continues in some fashion despite Ro's shifting responsibilities aboard the station and her elevation in status and stature
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