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Old May 23 2012, 01:52 PM   #46
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Really? It can easily be denied. If anything it was the character of Number One that was the exception, generally during TOS women were not to be in "positions of power."
It's interesting we saw in TOS alien women in "positions of power" - T'Pau, Natira, Losira, Deela, Romulan Commander - but we barely see there human women. Not very great for humans and Starfleet...
Wasn't that mainly because writers wanted to have Kirk (or Spock) "interacting" with alien females.

By the way, David Gerrold IIRC always thought it was ridiculous that alien women would be so likely to find a human male attractive
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Old May 23 2012, 03:09 PM   #47
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Wasn't that mainly because writers wanted to have Kirk (or Spock) "interacting" with alien females.
Good point. I don't think though it was necessary being leaders for interacting with protagonists, they could make them leader's daughters/wives if they wanted that. Besides, not all those women "interacted" with them in romantical way.
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By the way, David Gerrold IIRC always thought it was ridiculous that alien women would be so likely to find a human male attractive
I find that and the opposite strange too, but it doesn't seem so weird when those "aliens" are exactly like humans, what happens a lot.

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Old May 23 2012, 03:19 PM   #48
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By the way, David Gerrold IIRC always thought it was ridiculous that alien women would be so likely to find a human male attractive
I find that and the opposite strange too,
Not me. The one constant in human nature is this: If a man discovers something his penis will fit into, he'll try to fuck it.

It's true. That's why so many men are caught with their dicks stuck in swimming pool suction fittings each year.
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Old May 23 2012, 09:21 PM   #49
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By the way, David Gerrold IIRC always thought it was ridiculous that alien women would be so likely to find a human male attractive
I find that and the opposite strange too,
Not me. The one constant in human nature is this: If a man discovers something his penis will fit into, he'll try to fuck it.

It's true. That's why so many men are caught with their dicks stuck in swimming pool suction fittings each year.
Stereotype much?
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Old May 23 2012, 10:45 PM   #50
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Being a man, I think I can stereotype men all I want.
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Old May 24 2012, 04:14 PM   #51
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And then we see the Captain of the Saratoga in ST IV.
Irrelevant to TOS. Released almost 20 years after TOS was cancelled.
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Old May 24 2012, 04:19 PM   #52
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Number One is the same character in both. Even if you don't accept "The Cage" as true, Number One also appears in "The Menagerie" and is still the XO. And if she can be the XO, then by definition, she can be the Captain as well (and actually is exactly that whenever Pike is off the ship).
And she is the one giving the orders once Pike is captured in both The Cage and The Menagerie.
Seriously, you guys don't see any anomaly with that episode? Would you say it was representative of the Star Trek universe portrayed in the rest of the series?

During the teaser in Turnabout Intruder, Janice says to Kirk "Your world of star ship captains doesn't admit women ... It's not fair!" And Kirk replies to her "No it isn't." What does Kirk's reply tell us?
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Old May 24 2012, 09:31 PM   #53
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During the teaser in Turnabout Intruder, Janice says to Kirk "Your world of star ship captains doesn't admit women ... It's not fair!" And Kirk replies to her "No it isn't." What does Kirk's reply tell us?
That he's just humoring the nutcase because he knows it's useless to argue with her.
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Old May 24 2012, 09:38 PM   #54
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The themes of the episode are reflective of the times.

Lester was batshit insane any way you cut it, and basically murdered her whole team to put herself in position to switch places with Kirk, who she then intended to murder immediately after.

In true Trek fashion, the episode did call the whole 'boy's club' aspect of society into question. Because despite the fact that Lester didn't deserve to be there, it made people stop and ask: 'but what if she happened to be as trained, sane, and qualified as Kirk? What then?'
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Old May 25 2012, 12:43 AM   #55
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During the teaser in Turnabout Intruder, Janice says to Kirk "Your world of star ship captains doesn't admit women ... It's not fair!" And Kirk replies to her "No it isn't." What does Kirk's reply tell us?
That he's just humoring the nutcase because he knows it's useless to argue with her.
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Old May 25 2012, 01:09 AM   #56
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During the teaser in Turnabout Intruder, Janice says to Kirk "Your world of star ship captains doesn't admit women ... It's not fair!" And Kirk replies to her "No it isn't." What does Kirk's reply tell us?
That he's just humoring the nutcase because he knows it's useless to argue with her.
Exactly. He's pitying her, nothing more. She will not accept anything, no matter how true, that doesn't conform to her insane fantasy.

And remember the exact words she uses: YOUR world. Not THE world. Not STARFLEET's world. Kirk's world.
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Old May 25 2012, 02:07 AM   #57
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During the teaser in Turnabout Intruder, Janice says to Kirk "Your world of star ship captains doesn't admit women ... It's not fair!" And Kirk replies to her "No it isn't." What does Kirk's reply tell us?
That he's just humoring the nutcase because he knows it's useless to argue with her.
Exactly. He's pitying her, nothing more. She will not accept anything, no matter how true, that doesn't conform to her insane fantasy.

And remember the exact words she uses: YOUR world. Not THE world. Not STARFLEET's world. Kirk's world.
It's odd how different people see that so differently. For myself I never have believed that she was referring to anything but Kirk's own private universe. To me it was perfectly clear that she believed that Kirk was so fully committed to his career in general and to the Enterprise in particular that there was no room for a woman. That made perfect sense to me then and still does today. Obviously a situation where mileage will vary.
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Old May 25 2012, 09:49 PM   #58
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Anyone here ever heard of Captain Holly Graf, first woman to captain a USN destroyer and then a cruiser?
How she behaved as captain did not turn out the way the PC Brigade would have expected.
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Old May 25 2012, 10:48 PM   #59
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Anyone here ever heard of Captain Holly Graf, first woman to captain a USN destroyer and then a cruiser?
How she behaved as captain did not turn out the way the PC Brigade would have expected.
yeah, that one was a lesson in human nature that cuts across sexual lines. the willingness to abuse authority is not exclusively male.
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Old May 26 2012, 12:37 AM   #60
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Yeah, Graf was one crazy bitch.
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