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Old March 7 2015, 01:15 PM   #1
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Sequel to The Doomsday Machine

I always wondered what a sequel to The Doomsday Machine would be like. I know that when they chose to do a sequel (The Wrath of Khan) for Space Seed, part of the decision may have been based on the following exchange between Spock and Kirk at the end of Space Seed:

SPOCK: It would be interesting, Captain, to return to that world in a hundred years and to learn what crop has sprung from the seed you planted today.
KIRK: Yes, Mister Spock, it would indeed.

I noticed that at the end of The Doomsday Machine, they have similar dialogue that could very easily have suggested a sequel:

SPOCK: Appropriate, Captain. However, I can't help wondering if there are any more of those weapons wandering around the universe.
KIRK: Well, I certainly hope not. I found one quite sufficient.

So, what do you think a sequel to The Doomsday Machine would have been like, either as another episode in Season 4 or 5 or more than likely, as a movie (instead of TWOK) - STII: The Doomsday Ultimatum?

I could imagine a bunch of different scenarios:
  • A dozen Doomsday Machines attacking our galaxy, sent by the race that built the originals. The newer ones are much more advanced.
  • Will Decker somehow returning and playing a vital role in defeating them (That's for my father!!)
  • Time Travel (ok I had to say it) used to return to the original battle, possibly saving Matt Decker and obtaining more information needed to defeat the new machines. Matt & Will sacrificing themselves (again) to defeat the new machines.
Those are just a few ideas. I can imagine a trilogy of movies sort of like how TWOK, TSFS and TVH all tied in together. After defeating or turning back the new Doomsday Machines, additional movies could have been about going to the source of the problem - the alien homeworld in another galaxy which produced the machines. Heck, maybe even resurrect Gary Mitchell somehow to get his help. The possibilities are endless!

Maybe if we ever get another Trek series on TV, we'll finally get the sequel.
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Old March 7 2015, 03:44 PM   #2
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Re: Sequel to The Doomsday Machine

In interviews episode writer Norman Spinrad said he was thinking along the lines of MOBY DICK. Although the premise of the story is very similar to Fred Saberhagen's BERSERKER stories.

If you are interested in a sequel, Saberhagen wrote many others to follow this first anthology—including a time travel story (book 2).

The idea of "newer," more advanced machines doesn't dovetail with the premise of the DM being an ultimate weapon, or series of weapons that destroyed everybody in an ancient interstellar war. TREK's Doomsday Machine seemed like a dumb brute mindlessly destroying everything in its path—which is frightening enough. However, Saberhagen's Berserkers were self-aware machines; devious and dangerously clever. It's been a while since I read the Berserker stories, so I cannot recall if they repaired each other, or improved their systems. (I have a vague memory of a drydock planet for the Berserkers, but perhaps I am remembering some other story.)

At the very least, the first anthology is recommended.
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Old March 7 2015, 05:55 PM   #3
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Re: Sequel to The Doomsday Machine

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The idea of "newer," more advanced machines doesn't dovetail with the premise of the DM being an ultimate weapon, or series of weapons that destroyed everybody in an ancient interstellar war.
That was purely speculation on Kirk's part. We don't have a clue about the origins and purpose of The Doomsday Machine.

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TREK's Doomsday Machine seemed like a dumb brute mindlessly destroying everything in its path—which is frightening enough.
Maybe the machine had other uses or other capabilities that we don't know about. Perhaps its other capabilities failed, putting the machine in "safe mode" (from the machine's perspective) where survival was the #1 priority - eat and continue.

Maybe it wasn't a weapon at all, maybe it was some type of mining ship whose crew had died long ago and it malfunctioned. If you look at how small Nomad was in "The Changeling" and yet it was responsible for wiping out an entire system of 4 billion people, we could speculate that the size of The Doomsday Machine implied other capabilities that we know nothing about. Maybe it was a life form? If Data, who is a machine, can be considered a life form, why not The Doomsday Machine?

I wonder what happened to it? Was it towed back for study? Better to take it, tear it apart, see what made it tick than leave it for someone else to do. Imagine if the Klingons got ahold of it and somehow got it to work again.

There are so many stories that could be written about it, I think it's begging for a sequel.
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Old March 7 2015, 06:30 PM   #4
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Re: Sequel to The Doomsday Machine

Folks are reminded that the Star Trek New Voyages / Phase II episode "In Harm's Way" was a sequel to "The Doomsday Machine"--of sorts. It was one of our earliest efforts--and has everything in it but the kitchen sink. Nevertheless, it's fun to see (the late) William Windom reprise his Matt Decker role--and it's nice to know that the Doomsday Machine didn't just destroy the shuttlecraft with Matt Decker aboard; it simply flung them safely into Earth's past.

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Old March 7 2015, 06:32 PM   #5
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Vendetta by Peter David?
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Old March 7 2015, 06:41 PM   #6
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Vendetta by Peter David?
I have a vague recollection of that but have never read it. Honestly, I'm absolutely sick of the Borg. Initially they were interesting but I just never cared for them. I think they were overdone as a villian. Yes, I realize the Romulans and Klingons were long time bad guys but at least they had character.

I won't be too displeased if I never hear about the Borg again. I certainly wouldn't want to see them in another TV episode or movie or even a novel.
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Old March 7 2015, 06:43 PM   #7
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Vendetta by Peter David?
That was the first book that came to my mind, too.
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Old March 7 2015, 06:45 PM   #8
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Folks are reminded that the Star Trek New Voyages / Phase II episode "In Harm's Way" was a sequel to "The Doomsday Machine"--of sorts.
I saw it when it first came out, I'll have to rewatch it again. It also ties in with the Guardian of Forever if I'm not mistaken.
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Old March 7 2015, 06:48 PM   #9
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Folks are reminded that the Star Trek New Voyages / Phase II episode "In Harm's Way" was a sequel to "The Doomsday Machine"--of sorts. It was one of our earliest efforts--and has everything in it but the kitchen sink. Nevertheless, it's fun to see (the late) William Windom reprise his Matt Decker role--and it's nice to know that the Doomsday Machine didn't just destroy the shuttlecraft with Matt Decker aboard; it simply flung them safely into Earth's past.

This one is as fan-wanky as fan-wanky can get. That is both very good and very bad.
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Although the premise of the story is very similar to Fred Saberhagen's BERSERKER stories.
I was reading those during the 60s and 70s, always hoping someone would do a big screen version of them.
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Old March 7 2015, 07:07 PM   #11
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This one is as fan-wanky as fan-wanky can get. That is both very good and very bad.
Yes--fan-wankery. And intentionally so. The intent was to throw everything we could into this one episode. I think we wanted to get it out of our system.
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Old March 7 2015, 07:16 PM   #12
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It was inferred by Kirk that it was probably the last weapon of it's kind from a war in another galaxy from long ago! I think it works best like that! Another installment might detract from this one I'd say!
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Old March 7 2015, 07:25 PM   #13
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Re: Sequel to The Doomsday Machine

I actually submitted a DDM sequel to TNG, titled "The Day Before Doomsday", in which the dead, and supermassive neutronium hulk of the Planet Killer was drifting towards an inhabited solar system, and its gravitational influence itself was threatening to disrupt the orbits of the planets and thus kill everyone. Since it was too massive to move or deflect, the crew's only choice was to somehow re-activate it and use the Enterprise to lure it away from the system before it was too late. I remember actually doing the math to figure out the bloody thing's mass based on formulas for neutron star core material density. Sca-ry.
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Old March 7 2015, 07:41 PM   #14
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That was purely speculation on Kirk's part. We don't have a clue about the origins and purpose of The Doomsday Machine.
Good point.

Maybe it wasn't a weapon at all, maybe it was some type of mining ship whose crew had died long ago and it malfunctioned.
Ugh, no. That would suck all the life out the original episode, like Arthur C. Clarke destroying the awe and mystery of the monolith in one of the 2001 sequels where he turned it into a mere computer—one that could be attacked by a "generic" computer virus. Gimme a break.

Maybe it was a life form?
Double ugh! Tired, wishy-washy cliché. Don't go there.

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It was inferred by Kirk that it was probably the last weapon of it's kind from a war in another galaxy from long ago! I think it works best like that! Another installment might detract from this one I'd say!
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I remember actually doing the math to figure out the bloody thing's mass based on formulas for neutron star core material density. Sca-ry.
If it were possible for neutronium to exist. (Nuclear chemistry says no.) Still, since you're talking fiction, I'll grant your neutronium. The builders of the DM stole the neutronium bricks out of the gateway to a wormhole highway.
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Old March 7 2015, 08:04 PM   #15
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Okay, what would a sequel's story be all about? The original Doomsday Machine episode was all Moby Dick with Matt Decker's tragic sense of loss, and his suicidal quest to avenge his dead crew.

Pretty powerful stuff back in the 60s, and still as powerful today. I still rate that episode as my all-time favourite. A sequel would need to find an angle that's different, but just as compelling (and if someone would ever get as great a script on the page, I wouldn't encourage them to introduce a Matt Decker substitute character in there, you'd be nuts to think you could cast an actor as well as William Windom was suited for Decker).

I like to put In Harm's Way on my computer screen as a guilty pleasure, but it went all over the place, story-wise. An editor's nightmare, but lots of fun play-acting...
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