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Old May 15 2012, 09:40 PM   #1
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Doomsday Machine Question-What Does Decker Exclaim?

In The Doomsday Machine, right after Kirk fires on the planet killer with the Constellations phaser bank, Decker aboard the Enterprise attacks the planet killer again with the Enterprise phasers saying

"Now it's our turn. Fire phasers"

We see the Enterprise firing, the beams bouncing off the planet killers hull.

Then a cut to Decker saying something (it looks like the last of a line of dialogue that was cut out)..

He seems to be exclaiming "Dent it" as in "Didn't even dent it".

Then of course he says

"Hard about! Give me some distance".

So exactly what is Decker trying to say in the bolded section?
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Old May 15 2012, 09:45 PM   #2
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Re: Doomsday Machine Question-What Does Decker Exclaim?

I think he said "Did it!"
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Old May 15 2012, 10:17 PM   #3
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Re: Doomsday Machine Question-What Does Decker Exclaim?

Agreed, "Did it."
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Old May 15 2012, 11:28 PM   #4
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What did he mean by that?
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Old May 16 2012, 02:31 AM   #5
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Re: Doomsday Machine Question-What Does Decker Exclaim?

The Second Revised Final Draft script for "The Doomsday Machine" dated June 14, 1967 has the following content at Scene 105:

Scene 105C INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE

DECKER
(interrupts)
Kirk pulled us out of there by
distracting it. Now it's our
turn. Helmsman... fire phasers.

As Sulu punches control buttons:

105D EXT. SPACE - ENTERPRISE (STOCK)

firing phasers.

105E EXT. SPACE - PLANET KILLER

It is hit by phaser beam. Planet Killer again turns
its funnel mouth in the direction of the beam.

105F INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE

DECKER
Did it! Helmsman... hard
about... cours 25 degress
mark 2. Give us some distance.

105G EXT. SPACE - ENTERPRISE STOCK

Enterprise peels off in a turn.

********

So, Decker wanted to shoot at the Doomsday Machine to get its attention away from the Constellation. After the Enterprise did indeed succeed in diverting the Doomsday Machine away from the Enterprise, Decker exclaimed "[We] did it!"
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Old May 16 2012, 11:58 AM   #6
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So, Decker wanted to shoot at the Doomsday Machine to get its attention away from the Constellation.
I wonder if we could shorten that down to simply ...

"Decker wanted to shoot the Doomsday Machine"

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Old May 16 2012, 12:13 PM   #7
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GSchnitzer wrote: View Post
The Second Revised Final Draft script for "The Doomsday Machine" dated June 14, 1967 has the following content at Scene 105:

Scene 105C INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE

DECKER
(interrupts)
Kirk pulled us out of there by
distracting it. Now it's our
turn. Helmsman... fire phasers.

As Sulu punches control buttons:

105D EXT. SPACE - ENTERPRISE (STOCK)

firing phasers.

105E EXT. SPACE - PLANET KILLER

It is hit by phaser beam. Planet Killer again turns
its funnel mouth in the direction of the beam.

105F INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE

DECKER
Did it! Helmsman... hard
about... cours 25 degress
mark 2. Give us some distance.

105G EXT. SPACE - ENTERPRISE STOCK

Enterprise peels off in a turn.

********

So, Decker wanted to shoot at the Doomsday Machine to get its attention away from the Constellation. After the Enterprise did indeed succeed in diverting the Doomsday Machine away from the Enterprise, Decker exclaimed "[We] did it!"
Okay, since you have the script, how does the script describe the machine when it first appears?
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Old May 16 2012, 10:33 PM   #8
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Re: Doomsday Machine Question-What Does Decker Exclaim?

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So, Decker wanted to shoot at the Doomsday Machine to get its attention away from the Constellation.
I wonder if we could shorten that down to simply ...

"Decker wanted to shoot the Doomsday Machine"

Technically, we probably can't shorten it down to "Decker wanted to shoot the Doomsday Machine." That's not quite what he wanted to do.

Sulu: "Direct hit with the phasers, Commodore. No effect. The Constellation is still trapped in the tractor beam and is being pulled into the Planet Killer!"

Decker: "Excellent, Helmsman! We did it! Good shooting! Whew, that was close!"

Sulu: "What? Are, you deaf, sir? The Constellation is still trapped and is being pulled inside. Even though the Planet Killer is programed to ignore stuff below a certain size outside of a certain radius, evidently we aren't substantial or close enough! Our phasers failed to distract the Planet Killer's attention from the Constellation and the boarding party is still in extreme danger with only seconds to live!"

Decker: "No, you misunderstand, Helmsman. I just wanted to shoot the Doomsday Machine. That's enough though, isn't it? I mean, we succeeded in shooting it, right?"

Sulu: "Well, yes, but even though it was a dead hit and we shot the Planet Killer, the poor ol' Constellation is still being sucked into the maw of that enormous..."

Decker: "Woo hoo! We shot it! We did it!"

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Old May 16 2012, 11:01 PM   #9
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Re: Doomsday Machine Question-What Does Decker Exclaim?

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Okay, since you have the script, how does the script describe the machine when it first appears?
We have Decker's description at Scene 31:

KIRK
(crosses in)
What does it look like, Commodore?

DECKER
A hundred times the size of a
starship... a mile long, with
a maw big enough to swallow a
dozen ships... it destroyes
planets... cuts them to rubble...

********

Then, we have this description at Scene 44:

44 INSERT - MAIN VIEWSCREEN

On the screen, looming large and seen head-on, we see
the Planet-Killer; a great funnel extended before its
huge metallic body as if it were to devour the Enterprise.

SPOCK'S VOICE
An immense body... a large funnel-
mouth... It looks very much like
Commodore Decker's Planet-killer...
And it is pursuing us!

Then we have Scene 52--just as the boarding party is about to beam back to the Enterprise:

52 EXT. SPACE - QUARTERING SHOT OF THE PLANET-KILLER

We see the huge funnel mouth, with a blue-hot LIGHT
EFFECT glowing within. An ATOMIC BEAM EFFECT (a
solid beam of blue light) that seems to come from
within the funnel lances out.

Later, at Scene 85:

85 EXT. SPACE - CLOSE ON THE PLANET-KILLER

We see just the huge funnel, from the side. Then,
dwarfed by the funnel, the Enterprise moves into the
FRAME.

There are other Planet-Killer related scenes--like when Decker takes the shuttlecraft down its maw, and when the Constellation meets the same fate. All the descriptions are the same (and no more informative) than the above scenes.

If Mr. Spinrad had something else in mind other than what was scripted, he didn't so indicate--or he indicated it only in earlier drafts of the script. As I read what little is in this script, it seems like what was created is pretty consistent with what was requested.
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Old May 16 2012, 11:43 PM   #10
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Re: Doomsday Machine Question-What Does Decker Exclaim?

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I think he said "Did it!"

Knight Templar wrote: View Post
What did he mean by that?

To understand what "Did it!" means, try reviewing the context of that scene and the scene before.

My emphasis added through underlining...

[Constellation Engineering]

SCOTT: Phasers? You've got 'em. I have one bank recharged.



[Constellation Auxiliary Control]

KIRK: Scotty, you've just earned your pay for the week. Stand by. Fire phasers.


(One beam lances out, and the alien machine turns.)



[Enterprise Bridge]

SULU: We're loose, Commodore.

DECKER: Good boy, Jim. Between the two of us, we'll kill that thing.



[Constellation Auxiliary Control]

KIRK: Mister Scott, it worked! Great!

(Kirk sees that maw of the alien machine turning towards the Constellation on the viewscreen.)

KIRK: I think it's great. Scotty, get us out of here.



[Enterprise Bridge]

SPOCK: It's closing fast on the Constellation.

SULU: Standing by, sir.

SPOCK: Commodore, I suggest--.

DECKER: Kirk pulled us out of there by distracting it. Now it's our turn. Fire phasers.

(Enterprise fires phasers, scoring a direct hit on the alien machine.)

DECKER: Did it! Hard about. Give me some distance.

SULU: We're moving away, Commodore.
Decker's "Did it!" exclamation was a quick way to let the audience know that Sulu's phaser fire worked. The alien machine, heading toward the Constellation, was then again distracted by the Enterprise's weapons fire. (The downside of Decker's tactic was later revealed as the alien machine resumed its pursuit of the Enterprise.)
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Old May 17 2012, 08:43 AM   #11
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Okay, since you have the script, how does the script describe the machine when it first appears?
...44 INSERT - MAIN VIEWSCREEN

On the screen, looming large and seen head-on, we see
the Planet-Killer; a great funnel extended before its
huge metallic body as if it were to devour the Enterprise.

...If Mr. Spinrad had something else in mind other than what was scripted, he didn't so indicate--or he indicated it only in earlier drafts of the script. As I read what little is in this script, it seems like what was created is pretty consistent with what was requested.
I think the bolded text calls out the difference. The description is a funnel that extends out from the body, not merely a funnel. I can see how the production might have interpreted this as a funnel shaped object.
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Old May 17 2012, 01:45 PM   #12
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I personally never understood why some people hated the design of the Planet Killer (including Norman Spinrad).

There are effects problems in views up close from the side. This is where you can occasionally see some stars shining through the hull of the planet killer. But this is an effects issue not simply a design one. And the stars shining through a vessel happened to the Enterprise occasionally as well. Including this episode.

To me, the planet killer was a great design. Looking both ancient and ominous with its "maw" seeming to almost be glowing (presumably from radiation).
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Old May 17 2012, 02:26 PM   #13
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And outright "primal". Remember, this was basically a sci-fi spin upon Ahab and his obsession with the great white whale. Is it any wonder the mechanism bore a vague resemblence to a sea going beast, a leviathan. (Funny enough, to this day when I find myself in a fish market and see a salmon with the head removed, revealing the rich pinkish/red meat inside, I think of the DDM.)

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Old May 17 2012, 02:42 PM   #14
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A hundred times the size of a
starship... a mile long...
So a starship is... 52 feet 9.6 inches long?
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. (Funny enough, to this day when I find myself in a fish market and see a salmon with the head removed, revealing the rich pinkish/red meat inside, I think of the DDM.)

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