The Nexus

xvicente · May 13 2013, 09:51 PM

For all that is canon-known about it (from Guinan), there could be a new movie. Here's the plot:

Kirk, just after falling from the Enterprise B, wakes up in a green orion babe dancing show (like in The Cage), then remembers he left one Enterprise in danger, decides he needs help, seeks help from Martia (who else? he doesn't know Guinan) but she says she cannot leave because she is already inside (wait, what? well, let's stick to the canon here) but she knows who can.

Then he finds Picard celebrating Christmas and manage to convince him that Christmas sucks (also he meets Locutus but he tells a paradox and the computer part of him self-destructs).

Then they come out the Nexus aboard the Enterprise-B and Picard falls from Deck 78 and dies. Otherwise all is well.

If any inconsistency is noticed, it's because we're now in an "alternate reality".

Man, I should work at Paramount.

cheesepuff316 · May 13 2013, 10:02 PM

I have have read this totally wrong and sorry if I have, but it's Picard that goes looking for Kirk with Guinan's help, not the other way round???

xvicente · May 13 2013, 10:20 PM

cheesepuff316 wrote:

I have have read this totally wrong and sorry if I have, but it's Picard that goes looking for Kirk with Guinan's help, not the other way round???

in a parallel universe

wjaspers · May 13 2013, 11:33 PM

Who is Martia? how she get in the Nexus? why does Kirk not know Guinan? he could know her, he knows many women.

Hober Mallow · May 14 2013, 03:30 AM

cheesepuff316 wrote:

I have have read this totally wrong and sorry if I have, but it's Picard that goes looking for Kirk with Guinan's help, not the other way round???

Funny thing is, that's the main problem with the movie.

Moore and Braga set up Kirk as needing to stay in Starfleet in the middle of the action, saving the universe, making a difference. They set Picard up as wanting family, feeling that his time was running out. Then the two get into the Nexus and... Kirk's ultimate wish is a quiet retirement? Huh? And Picard, the one who was contemplating having a quiet family life, has to convince Kirk to go back and make a difference? Didn't they already set up Kirk as that guy? The way the story was set up, it should have been Kirk convincing Picard to go back. Moore and Braga set up two characters, then reverse their respective payoffs.

CommishSleer · May 14 2013, 06:04 AM

Hober Mallow wrote:

cheesepuff316 wrote:

I have have read this totally wrong and sorry if I have, but it's Picard that goes looking for Kirk with Guinan's help, not the other way round???

Funny thing is, that's the main problem with the movie.

Moore and Braga set up Kirk as needing to stay in Starfleet in the middle of the action, saving the universe, making a difference. They set Picard up as wanting family, feeling that his time was running out. Then the two get into the Nexus and... Kirk's ultimate wish is a quiet retirement? Huh? And Picard, the one who was contemplating having a quiet family life, has to convince Kirk to go back and make a difference? Didn't they already set up Kirk as that guy? The way the story was set up, it should have been Kirk convincing Picard to go back. Moore and Braga set up two characters, then reverse their respective payoffs.

One of the main gripes about GEN for me was the revelation that both Picard and Kirk wanted to settle down.
In the TV series and movies they both fought tooth and nail to keep their captaincies. Both were offered the family life many times and they always chose ship and duty. It was not something unatainable for them out of the Nexus.

I believe that Picard (in a moment of weakness when his family died) might have temporary longed for the family life he sacrificed. And I think much like you that if Kirk were in that Nexus he would always been seeking a way out.

Am I cynical to think that Moore and Braga wanted their guy (Picard) to be the hero and that he had to be the voice of reason not Kirk. And even though I am primarily a TOS fan I realise that at the time TNG was the way forward, but if you want to make Picard the hero then make it make sense.

Perhaps if the Nexus was a place that made you more compliant the longer you stayed then maybe it might have made sense but the Nexus was the ultimate magical place, you live forever, you can time travel and space travel at will, and all your fantasies come true

R. Star · May 14 2013, 07:14 AM

wjaspers wrote:

Who is Martia? how she get in the Nexus? why does Kirk not know Guinan? he could know her, he knows many women.

Martia was the shapeshifter chick in Star Trek 6.

T'Girl · May 14 2013, 07:58 AM

xvicente wrote:

Kirk, just after falling from the Enterprise B, wakes up in a green orion babe dancing show (like in The Cage)

Kirk, just after falling from the Enterprise B, wakes up in a green orion babe.

(fixed that for you)

Hober Mallow · May 14 2013, 06:07 PM

CommishSleer wrote:

One of the main gripes about GEN for me was the revelation that both Picard and Kirk wanted to settle down.
In the TV series and movies they both fought tooth and nail to keep their captaincies. Both were offered the family life many times and they always chose ship and duty. It was not something unatainable for them out of the Nexus.

Yeah, Captain Kirk wanting to settle down is completely out of character. It's "The Cage" with Captain Pike all over again.

Am I cynical to think that Moore and Braga wanted their guy (Picard) to be the hero and that he had to be the voice of reason not Kirk

No, Picard is indeed the hero and I'm sure that's why the writers felt he needed to be the one taking the active role in bringing about Act 3. But the problem is that that's not the way they set up the film.

And Picard weeping at the beginning of the film does nothing at all for the movie. If he's going to weep, it should be coming to an emotional climax in Act 3. Moore and Braga just bit off way more than they could chew with this movie. Sadly, GEN is the TNG movie I feel to have had the most potential.

CommishSleer · May 15 2013, 04:33 AM

I get the impression that the original idea for the Nexus was that it was to be a place that everyone wanted to be, that you could live out your fantasy (much like a holodeck). Then they had to explain why Kirk was still alive after 80 years, then they thought lets make the Nexus stop aging, then they had to show Picard what would happen if he let Soran go, then they made the Nexus allow you to travel back in time and then had to explain how Picard jumped around in the Nexus and then they allowed everyone to move around space and time. So the Nexus became sort of 'magical'.

I would have forgiven all that (there's been worse in Star Trek) if they didn't make the Nexus fantasies for Kirk and Picard so lame . And they hadn't gone against Picard's and Kirk's established characters to say Kirk wanted to cook eggs for Antonia and Picard the perfect father.

TheSubCommander · May 15 2013, 04:56 AM

And Picard weeping at the beginning of the film does nothing at all for the movie. If he's going to weep, it should be coming to an emotional climax in Act 3. Moore and Braga just bit off way more than they could chew with this movie. Sadly, GEN is the TNG movie I feel to have had the most potential.

I think that was mostly a failed attempt to humanize Picard.

May 13 2013, 09:51 PM	#1
xvicente Lieutenant Commander	The Nexus For all that is canon-known about it (from Guinan), there could be a new movie. Here's the plot: Kirk, just after falling from the Enterprise B, wakes up in a green orion babe dancing show (like in The Cage), then remembers he left one Enterprise in danger, decides he needs help, seeks help from Martia (who else? he doesn't know Guinan) but she says she cannot leave because she is already inside (wait, what? well, let's stick to the canon here) but she knows who can. Then he finds Picard celebrating Christmas and manage to convince him that Christmas sucks (also he meets Locutus but he tells a paradox and the computer part of him self-destructs). Then they come out the Nexus aboard the Enterprise-B and Picard falls from Deck 78 and dies. Otherwise all is well. If any inconsistency is noticed, it's because we're now in an "alternate reality". Man, I should work at Paramount. __________________ ----------------------------------------------------------- I am here to talk about Star Trek and chew bubble gum. and I'm all outta bubble gum.

May 13 2013, 10:02 PM	#2
cheesepuff316 Ensign	Re: The Nexus I have have read this totally wrong and sorry if I have, but it's Picard that goes looking for Kirk with Guinan's help, not the other way round???

May 13 2013, 11:33 PM	#4
wjaspers Lieutenant Commander	Re: The Nexus Who is Martia? how she get in the Nexus? why does Kirk not know Guinan? he could know her, he knows many women.

May 15 2013, 04:33 AM	#10
CommishSleer Lieutenant Commander Location: End of the Universe	Re: The Nexus I get the impression that the original idea for the Nexus was that it was to be a place that everyone wanted to be, that you could live out your fantasy (much like a holodeck). Then they had to explain why Kirk was still alive after 80 years, then they thought lets make the Nexus stop aging, then they had to show Picard what would happen if he let Soran go, then they made the Nexus allow you to travel back in time and then had to explain how Picard jumped around in the Nexus and then they allowed everyone to move around space and time. So the Nexus became sort of 'magical'. I would have forgiven all that (there's been worse in Star Trek) if they didn't make the Nexus fantasies for Kirk and Picard so lame . And they hadn't gone against Picard's and Kirk's established characters to say Kirk wanted to cook eggs for Antonia and Picard the perfect father.

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