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Old April 26 2014, 10:02 PM   #271
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His face got punched a lot in The 100.

It's just this bloody mess now.

No bandaids in the future.

I like the Smarminess.

(The spellcheck is suggesting that I might have meant to say "creaminess" and not "Smarminess".)

It's better than the beginning when he was first directionless and then a dupe.

He kinda knows about timetravel, that future people are ####ing with him, but he hasn't really put it into words enough to reject the concept entirely...

He knows that he is right, and he knows that he can't do wrong.

And that is bad.

"Certainty".

The kid is trouble.

But what the corporations are doing is worse.
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Old April 27 2014, 01:48 AM   #272
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I'm really enjoying Continuum, but I agree the time-traveling liber8 goon-squad is the weakest part of the show. I'm much more interested in the two Alecs.
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Old April 27 2014, 06:29 AM   #273
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I'm still really enjoying it. I like the stuff with Liber8 and Theseus.
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Old May 6 2014, 12:44 AM   #274
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I'm hoping one of the Alec Sadlers becomes the behind-the-scenes financial and strategic head of Liber8. That would strengthen the Liber8 plotlines.
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Old May 6 2014, 01:24 AM   #275
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Which Liber8?

Theseus and Lucas/Sonya can't be drawing from the same labour pool?

Or can they?

4 or 5 leaderships in disagreement giving conflicting order tot he solider down on the lowest rung.
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Old May 6 2014, 02:12 AM   #276
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Which Liber8?

Theseus and Lucas/Sonya can't be drawing from the same labour pool?

Or can they?

4 or 5 leaderships in disagreement giving conflicting order tot he solider down on the lowest rung.
I could see one of the Alecs acting as a behind-the-scenes figure manipulating multiple leaderships (assuming Liber8 ends up that divided). In the short-term, he probably has a better shot at making a connection with Theseus given their familial connection.
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Old May 6 2014, 02:24 AM   #277
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But why?

What's his motivation?

Characters lumping together for no good reason in abrasive defiance of their continuity is Heroes.

Liber8 hates companies and wants to replace it with 1/2 a 19th century agrarian culture, and 1/2 the 1980s.

Even to destroy his other self or his other selfs plans, either Alec, would they really help Liber8 destroy the foreseen Future... And that's not even taking into account that if Alec/his company is removed from play, the timeline falls apart like that other Alecless timeline did in the beginning of the season.
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Old May 6 2014, 02:54 AM   #278
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But why?

What's his motivation?
I think the show has done a good job presenting why a reasonable person would be against the corporate order of 2077. We know future Alec likes to control things, and we know the two Alecs don't get along. It's not hard to see them ending up as adversaries (one Alec controlling the corporate Congress and one Alec controlling Liber8).

Liber8 hates companies and wants to replace it with 1/2 a 19th century agrarian culture, and 1/2 the 1980s.
Liber8 hates the corporate congress. That doesn't mean they want a 19th century agrarian culture, or, at least, it doesn't mean it's leadership wants a 19th century agrarian culture. Regardless, I could see one of the Alecs using Liber8 as a means of shaping the future even if his beliefs are not those of the more public leadership.

Even to destroy his other self or his other selfs plans, either Alec, would they really help Liber8 destroy the foreseen Future... And that's not even taking into account that if Alec/his company is removed from play, the timeline falls apart like that other Alecless timeline did in the beginning of the season.
I didn't say either Alec would want to destroy the future. He would just want to bend it toward something more palatable (perhaps letting the course of history run semi-normally while setting the stage for a battle post-2077). Honestly, I don't see much difference in personality between a future Alec controlling a corporate congress and a future Alec controlling Liber8. Both job descriptions would involve some heavy rationalization and a lot of killing.

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Old May 6 2014, 03:15 AM   #279
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Alec doesn't have to join Liber8 to oppose himself.

It's not a two horse race.

There are Loooads of horses.

The current free range Alec is running the god damned wrong company for frakks sake.

Alex in a glass cage could still get out of there and found Sadtech, and suddenly the future is looking like it's supposed to with Sadtech in charge and not Pyron.

You know how babies are made right?

If you change the future just a little bit, putting every thing off by just a few seconds, then that means that Billions of different babies are going to be born over the course of the next 70 years, or not at all, because different sperms make different babies, and not all sperms are created equally, however they all do only live for a couple days total, so any tiny nudge to time could change all the players conceived after the crisis point that derailed the original timeline.

There is no changing the future "a little bit". Once it is changed, given enough rope, it is unrecognisable, unless the writers room are a pack of hippy rose coloured glasses wearing assholes.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:28 AM   #280
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I put this in as an edit just as you were posting. I'm removing it from that post and adding it here:

Another possibility is that the two Alecs could end up working with each other (one controlling the corporate congress and one controlling liber8) in order to stage a revolution post-2077. That would also be an interesting twist (ala Spock in the mirror universe novel Sorrows of Empire).


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There is no changing the future "a little bit". Once it is changed, given enough rope, it is unrecognisable, unless the writers room are a pack of hippy rose coloured glasses wearing assholes.
The cult with future tech (the one trying to keep the future stable) seems to think small things can change without completely messing up the future. Regardless, I could see two possibilities working out: a) a plan by one of the Alecs to completely alter the future via Liber8 and b) a plan by one of the Alecs (or both--one running the corporate congress and one running liber8) to plan things out so that the big changes happen post-2077.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:33 AM   #281
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There's a valid basis to the idea that the future is hard to change. Most things are the result of many interacting causes rather than a single one. Change one factor and it may alter a few details, but the flow of the current of time is not that easy to redirect. Occasionally a specific event may be pivotal enough that changing it will have a major impact, but there are plenty of other changes that would be damped out by the larger forces of history. This is a concept that's been used in science fiction for decades, going at least as far back as Poul Anderson's Time Patrol series.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:59 AM   #282
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Temporal inertia versus temporal momentum.

The Time Nun (It's religious order who worships time) said that time course corrects mostly unless you do something horrifically stupid.

Here's what I'm not liking.

The present fell apart and dissolved because Alec Saddler left and didn't come back.

Let's just account for what the present is... Trillions of habited planets across infinite reaches of endless space for the next 80 billion years until heat death.

All that crumbles because Alec doesn't build some shitty, probably quickly forgotten (Ozymandias anyone?) 21st century financial Empire.

A bit of an overreaction surely?

So what happens after the universe unmakes itself into a time-vacuum?

(And how long would that take?)

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Something else is going to grow in the vacant area of non-time-space that used to house a universe we would think is familiar.
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Old May 6 2014, 04:43 AM   #283
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I do wonder what makes Alec so cosmically special. Perhaps future Alec's actions prevent a time travel war that destabilizes the universe.
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Old May 6 2014, 05:16 AM   #284
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Catherine claimed that her order (I'm the only one calling it that) was set up a thousand years ago.

The present as those Canadians understand 2014, is the result of trillions of course corrections by the thousands of drones loyal to the order carrying out some generational grand plan, as well as actual time travellers blundering about like wild horses arses.

If someone doesn't invent timetravel and send a beachhead back to 1066, then of course the next thousand years are going to vanish like a fart in a sauna.

Although because of branch theory, if you go back far enough, the splayed multiverses billion, by billion will conjoin back into a single universe, which is possibly it's naked state before Timetravel started messing things up.

But if in the 23rd century (just a guess) when Catherine's order is launched (totally a guess. Nothing to back it up.) a thousand years in the past, if every timeline, all infinite of them, each sends back a mission to the 11th century, that would mean that an infinite number of orders are going to be set up in the same point in space time on top of one another, which would destroy the universe by drowning it in too many people to fit comfortably.

Bugger.

This show still doesn't have enough cemented rules to lock down what is happening.
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I do wonder what makes Alec so cosmically special. Perhaps future Alec's actions prevent a time travel war that destabilizes the universe.
They explained that in the season premiere. It's not that he's "cosmically" special. It's that he was the one who sent Liber8 and Kiera back in time in the first place, so if his younger self removed himself from the timeline, then he'd never grow up to become the person who sent Liber8 and Kiera back, but it was the actions of Liber8 and Kiera that made it possible for Alec to remove himself from the timeline. So that sequence of events becomes an irresolvable paradox, and thus the timeline in which it happened collapses. Kiera and Liber8 can only exist in the past of a timeline where Alec Sadler has a future.
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