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Old September 28 2012, 06:40 PM   #76
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Re: Just finished KotOR for the first time...

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There's something just horribly WRONG with the Star Wars universe, when you start taking into account all this stuff. 25,000 years, and the universe (or at least the part we've seen) is completely stagnant. From the farthest past to the future, what's different? Other than the names of the people, not much. If we were talking about a couple hundred years here or there, sure, maybe it was just a slow patch, but to go that long with NO technological change? Yikes!

Blasters, hyperspace, lightsabers, speeders. Realistically, only thing that ever gets worked on that's new is that every now and then, someone gets it into their head to build a doomsday device. Even then, the oldest one and newest one would be about evenly matched...
Hmm, I never really thought about it like that before, but you're totally right. Compare and contrast with Star Trek, where humans go from post-apocalytic scavengers totally unaware of any other life in the universe, to guardians of space and time, all within a single millennia.

I think this stems from that one crucial narrative difference between Wars and Trek: one is fantasy, which just happens to include spaceships; the other is science fiction, though no less fantastical in its approach.

Fantasy universes have a way of existing inside a bubble, perhaps by design. After all, if all those fantasy societies started advancing past swords 'n' sorcery and towards industrialization or whathaveyou, a lot of those classic genre tropes become largely meaningless.

Star Wars is actually kind of remarkable in that sense; it's one major fictional universe that actually (mostly) succeeds in blurring the lines. With that in mind, thinking too much about those 25,000 years of arrested development breaks the illusion somewhat.

I'd be interested to know if there was ever an explanation for that in the fiction.
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Old September 28 2012, 07:39 PM   #77
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Re: Just finished KotOR for the first time...

If Obi-Wan hadn't said "for over a thousand generations" in ANH and had instead just said "for over a thousand years" (which would have fit with the PT, which implied that the Republic had only existed for a millennium), we probably wouldn't be having these discussions about technological stagnation. I agree that it's a little weird. Sure, having a massive 25,000-year long timeline makes it possible to do all kinds of different stories with different characters, but it's still kind of awkward.

I really need to catch up on Dawn of the Jedi. I remember being really excited about that when it was first announced, but I haven't had the time or the spare cash to keep up with it.
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Old September 28 2012, 08:12 PM   #78
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Re: Just finished KotOR for the first time...

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There's something just horribly WRONG with the Star Wars universe, when you start taking into account all this stuff. 25,000 years, and the universe (or at least the part we've seen) is completely stagnant. From the farthest past to the future, what's different? Other than the names of the people, not much. If we were talking about a couple hundred years here or there, sure, maybe it was just a slow patch, but to go that long with NO technological change? Yikes!

Blasters, hyperspace, lightsabers, speeders. Realistically, only thing that ever gets worked on that's new is that every now and then, someone gets it into their head to build a doomsday device. Even then, the oldest one and newest one would be about evenly matched...
Hmm, I never really thought about it like that before, but you're totally right. Compare and contrast with Star Trek, where humans go from post-apocalytic scavengers totally unaware of any other life in the universe, to guardians of space and time, all within a single millennia.

I think this stems from that one crucial narrative difference between Wars and Trek: one is fantasy, which just happens to include spaceships; the other is science fiction, though no less fantastical in its approach.

Fantasy universes have a way of existing inside a bubble, perhaps by design. After all, if all those fantasy societies started advancing past swords 'n' sorcery and towards industrialization or whathaveyou, a lot of those classic genre tropes become largely meaningless.

Star Wars is actually kind of remarkable in that sense; it's one major fictional universe that actually (mostly) succeeds in blurring the lines. With that in mind, thinking too much about those 25,000 years of arrested development breaks the illusion somewhat.

I'd be interested to know if there was ever an explanation for that in the fiction.
This is a pretty good summation.

One reason I think it's so believable in swords and sorcery stories is because those are based in a dark age type setting, and our own dark age was totally stagnant for almost a millennium. The association is just easier to accept.

SW has "science" connected with it which promotes an idea of progress. But if we think of all the social and cultural reasons humans didn't evolved (and even regressed in some areas) over the coarse of the mid hundreds and then expand that to a galactic scale, then perhaps 25,000 isn't all that extraordinary.
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Old October 9 2012, 01:43 AM   #79
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Re: Just finished KotOR for the first time...

Anybody could tell me why am i having trouble with starting Kotor 2 on the same computer which runs Kotor 1 just fine?
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Old October 9 2012, 09:50 AM   #80
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^You might need to be a bit more specific than that.
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Old October 9 2012, 10:24 AM   #81
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The ususal SW text shows up at the beginning and then i have to use CTR ALT DEL to exit.
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