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Old May 1 2012, 01:24 AM   #46
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That does raise an interesting question, though. The Red Ensign is usually given to merchant vessels; the Blue Ensign to merchant vessels captained by members of the reserve officer corps, by special permission of the Admiralty; the Green Ensign, once upon a time, by Irish merchant ships under British domination; and the White Ensign by the Royal Navy itself. Does this mean that TOS: The Red Ensign will in some way focus on privately-owned vessels, or interstellar trade, in some sense?
Sounds like a good possibility to me. If so, I wonder if will involve Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones?
^^ See above, re: DRGIII commenting on the title.
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Old May 1 2012, 01:48 AM   #47
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Oh, that apparently came up while I was writing my post so I missed it.
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Old May 1 2012, 02:00 AM   #48
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Well, I guess this novel will be that 1% where the public title isn't the finalized one.
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Old May 1 2012, 04:18 AM   #49
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Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013

Perhaps we should start titling new novel threads as "untitled author project" like IMDB does for movies "untitled director project."

I am looking forward to every book this year, and the it would appear that next year will be just as good.
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Old May 1 2012, 04:26 AM   #50
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I think the problem is that the online databases and such are getting too efficient, so placeholder titles that are supposed to be for internal use only are increasingly getting out to the public early in the game, before any proper announcement.
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Old May 1 2012, 04:39 AM   #51
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^Quite possibly so, but what is wrong with calling it an "untitled author project"?

It doesn't make sense from a marketing perspective to release a placeholder title if marketing people run with it and then it gets changed and all that marketing is gone.

A name is important, it's a brand and especially so for authors. I don't believe this placeholder title crap occurs outside of tie-in fiction, at least I haven't heard of it doing so.
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Old May 1 2012, 06:59 AM   #52
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I guess that puts an end to the "S&S lost the licence and won't be doing 2013's books" rumour that there was a thread about on here a month or so back.
That was an April Fools joke.
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That was an April Fools joke.
An unamusing one.
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An unamusing one.
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Old May 1 2012, 01:00 PM   #55
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I guess that puts an end to the "S&S lost the licence and won't be doing 2013's books" rumour that there was a thread about on here a month or so back.
That was an April Fools joke.
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Old May 1 2012, 01:15 PM   #56
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It doesn't make sense from a marketing perspective to release a placeholder title if marketing people run with it and then it gets changed and all that marketing is gone.
But what we're talking about isn't marketing. It's database entry. This is what I'm saying -- the database side of the process has become so automated and efficient and networked that it's getting ahead of the marketing. Placeholders that are supposed to be strictly internal, that are just for the paperwork and internal reference, are getting automatically picked up by the computers that update the online catalogs almost as soon as they get entered into the computers on the publisher's end.

Indeed, maybe that's why the internal reference titles increasingly seem to be non-descriptive placeholders like The Red Ensign -- because the folks at S&S are starting to adapt to the way the automation is racing ahead of the marketing, and are trying to minimize the amount of actual book information that gets leaked out prematurely.


I don't believe this placeholder title crap occurs outside of tie-in fiction, at least I haven't heard of it doing so.
Well, not to the same extent, because original fiction is usually completely written before it's sold. But it's not uncommon for writers in any medium to use placeholder titles or to change their minds about their titles. Sometimes it takes a long time to figure out the right title for a novel. Heck, I have a spec novel that I've been working on for the past few years and planning even longer, and it was only a few months ago that I finally hit upon a title I actually liked.


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I guess that puts an end to the "S&S lost the licence and won't be doing 2013's books" rumour that there was a thread about on here a month or so back.
That was an April Fools joke.
No, it wasn't (at least not originally); the thread asking about it was started about a week before April 1. The rumor probably arose from the fact that Simon & Schuster did lose the Trek calendar license to a different publisher, and some people either misheard that news or feared that losing one license might've meant losing both.
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Old May 1 2012, 01:52 PM   #57
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^Quite possibly so, but what is wrong with calling it an "untitled author project"?

It doesn't make sense from a marketing perspective to release a placeholder title if marketing people run with it and then it gets changed and all that marketing is gone.

A name is important, it's a brand and especially so for authors. I don't believe this placeholder title crap occurs outside of tie-in fiction, at least I haven't heard of it doing so.
It's true placeholder titles can take on a life of their own. Just look at the movie Snakes on a Plane. Originally that was meant to just be a placeholder, however everyone took notice of that title and fell in love. Samuel L. Jackson agreed to do the movie without reading the script simply because it was named Snakes on a Plane. When a new title was eventually given to the movie, there was backlash from everyone, including Jackson, so the placeholder had to be the actual title.
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Old May 1 2012, 01:59 PM   #58
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As I recall, Deep Space Nine was originally a placeholder title that the creators weren't really happy with, but once it got out to the public, they ended up being kind of stuck with it.
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Old May 1 2012, 08:36 PM   #59
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As I recall, Deep Space Nine was originally a placeholder title that the creators weren't really happy with, but once it got out to the public, they ended up being kind of stuck with it.
^^^ Really? I'd never heard that one before. If I may ask, what is your source?
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Old May 1 2012, 10:12 PM   #60
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I think I got it from a couple of places, including The Making of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens, and probably some magazine article back in the day. And on reflection, I think it wasn't just that it got out to the public, but that they just got so much into the habit of using the placeholder title (and had so many other priorities demanding their attention) that inertia just won out.
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