TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 - Page 2

Yevetha · April 28 2012, 08:27 AM

I hope it's about a minor character.

Patrick O'Brien · April 28 2012, 02:23 PM

I take it there is no book description as of yet?

Yevetha · April 28 2012, 05:48 PM

As far as i know.

Mr. Laser Beam · April 28 2012, 06:55 PM

I'm sure the pun inherent in the title is intentional. It's probably not about redshirt security guards, that's just a hook to lure in the reader (how many people even know that the word 'ensign' can also refer to a flag?). And it seems to be working.

RPJOB · April 28 2012, 07:06 PM

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

I'm sure the pun inherent in the title is intentional. It's probably not about redshirt security guards, that's just a hook to lure in the reader (how many people even know that the word 'ensign' can also refer to a flag?). And it seems to be working.

Outside of America, quite a few. However, Trek is an American series so the majority of it's fans probably don't.

Mr. Laser Beam · April 28 2012, 07:10 PM

Although, the use of 'ensign' as a rank is a direct result OF its use as a flag, isn't it? Meaning: the word was originally used simply to describe the junior officer in a unit who carried the flag into battle. And was originally an Army rank, not Navy.

Christopher · April 28 2012, 07:10 PM

On the other hand, there was no pun intended in the TNG episode title "The Ensigns of Command." Maybe, like the writer of that episode, David is simply trusting in the literacy of his audience.

Yevetha · April 28 2012, 07:15 PM

I hope it features Sam Lavelle. The character has some potential.

Mr. Laser Beam · April 28 2012, 07:32 PM

Christopher wrote:

On the other hand, there was no pun intended in the TNG episode title "The Ensigns of Command."

Are you saying that was supposed to be a flag reference? I always thought it was a pun regarding Data - even though he is a senior officer, a LTCDR, he hasn't had an extended mission on his own where he was in command, so in that regard, he's as green as any ensign.

JoeZhang · April 28 2012, 08:27 PM

I want the seals of power and place,
The ensigns of command,
Charged by the people's unbought grace,
To rule my native land.
Nor crown nor sceptre would I ask,
But from my country's will,
By day, by night, to ply the task
Her cup of bliss to fill.

(full piece here).

Christopher · April 28 2012, 10:14 PM

Ensign doesn't just mean a flag, it means a symbol, an insignia (you can see how the words are related to each other and to "sign"). The ensigns of command are the symbols of authority -- "the seals of power and place" like crowns and sceptres. The episode "The Ensigns of Command" was about Data proving his authority, earning the colonists' respect, and the title referred to that symbolically.

Yevetha wrote:

I hope it features Sam Lavelle. The character has some potential.

Uhh... in an original series novel?

RPJOB · April 28 2012, 10:31 PM

What, Trek doesn't have time travel?

Yevetha · April 28 2012, 10:51 PM

Yevetha wrote:

I hope it features Sam Lavelle. The character has some potential.

Uhh... in an original series novel?

[/QUOTE]

I forgot the setting. Nevertheless he should have his own novel or series.

Saul · April 29 2012, 06:38 PM

Maybe it will be like that Austin Powers movie where we get to see that the henchman Powers kills has a life and family.

Sci · April 29 2012, 06:42 PM

All I know is, I keep getting this image of a Constitution-class starship flying the British Red Ensign and then claiming this land in the name of the King.

April 28 2012, 08:27 AM	#16
Yevetha Commodore	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 I hope it's about a minor character.

April 28 2012, 02:23 PM	#17
Patrick O'Brien Captain Location: Brooklyn NY	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 I take it there is no book description as of yet? __________________ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. McCoy, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

April 28 2012, 05:48 PM	#18
Yevetha Commodore	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 As far as i know.

April 28 2012, 06:55 PM	#19
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 I'm sure the pun inherent in the title is intentional. It's probably not about redshirt security guards, that's just a hook to lure in the reader (how many people even know that the word 'ensign' can also refer to a flag?). And it seems to be working. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

April 28 2012, 07:10 PM	#21
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 Although, the use of 'ensign' as a rank is a direct result OF its use as a flag, isn't it? Meaning: the word was originally used simply to describe the junior officer in a unit who carried the flag into battle. And was originally an Army rank, not Navy. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

STAR TREK

CSI

ABOUT US

April 28 2012, 07:10 PM	#22
Christopher Writer	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 On the other hand, there was no pun intended in the TNG episode title "The Ensigns of Command." Maybe, like the writer of that episode, David is simply trusting in the literacy of his audience. __________________ Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Includes purchasing links for Only Superhuman, on sale now! Updated 12/30/12 with annotations for the novel. Written Worlds -- My blog

April 28 2012, 07:15 PM	#23
Yevetha Commodore	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 I hope it features Sam Lavelle. The character has some potential.

April 28 2012, 08:27 PM	#25
JoeZhang Rear Admiral	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 I want the seals of power and place, The ensigns of command, Charged by the people's unbought grace, To rule my native land. Nor crown nor sceptre would I ask, But from my country's will, By day, by night, to ply the task Her cup of bliss to fill. (full piece here).

April 28 2012, 10:31 PM	#27
RPJOB Commander	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 What, Trek doesn't have time travel?

April 29 2012, 06:38 PM	#29
Saul Rear Admiral Location: 東京	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 Maybe it will be like that Austin Powers movie where we get to see that the henchman Powers kills has a life and family. __________________ "It's not that you can see the strings, it's that 40 years later you're still looking at them." - Steven Moffat "This movie was big. Imagine how big it could have been with me in it?" William Shatner

April 29 2012, 06:42 PM	#30
Sci Admiral Location: The Red Flag: May Day 2013	Re: TOS: The Red Ensign by DRGIII - January 2013 All I know is, I keep getting this image of a Constitution-class starship flying the British Red Ensign and then claiming this land in the name of the King. __________________ This dream must end, this world must know: We all depend on the beast below.