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Old April 27 2011, 05:14 AM   #1
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What about Coridan Prime?

Coridan Prime has had a rough time of it. At one point a potential member of the Federation ranking right up there with Earth or Tellar or Vulcan or Andor, technologically quite advanced if politically unstable, the Romulan War hit the planet hard: the Romulan suicide attack of 2154 devastated the planet, and in turn triggered a century of devastating wars which depopulated the system. Eventually Coridan recovered, by the late 24th century becoming an important Federation system.

But then, the Borg came.

The description in the novels of what exactly happened to Coridan is contradictory. The planet is described as having been saved from glassing by Hernandez' intervention, along with Qo'Nos and Andor and Vulcan and Beta Rigel, and Christopher's Watching the Clock mentions scientists from the Khitomer allies visiting the Coridan Engineering Institute. This would suggest that, like those other four worlds and perhaps also Ardana, Coridan was heavily damaged but still basically intact, inhabited and with its civilization still functioning. But then, in her post-invasion speech Bacco mentioned Coridan in the same breath as worlds like Risa and Ramatis which we know to have been sterilized, and novels like A Singular Destiny and the same Watching the Clock seem to imply that Coridan was wrecked to a greater extent, with Coridanite Starfleet officers left to cope with the sight of their world's devastation (destruction?) and descriptions of the surface as "ruined".

Have I drawn the wrong implications? Is Coridan still inhabited if battered? Or has it been depopulated? It occurs to me that unlike those four worlds, Coridan Prime has already been battered, and the Borg attack just pushed an already marginalized civilization over the edge.

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Old April 27 2011, 09:57 AM   #2
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Re: What about Coridan Prime?

where?
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Old April 27 2011, 10:03 AM   #3
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In an episode of Deep Space Nine ("In the Cards", I believe), Sisko mentions that a station resident emigrated to a "world in the Coridan system", so evidently there are several inhabited planets at Coridan. Maybe Coridan Prime AKA Coridan III was completely ruined, but one of the outer colonies survived. The Coridan nation might still exist in the form of its colonies and outposts even if Coridan Prime didn't survive. For what it's worth, I've read all the references as implying total destruction for Coridan Prime. I assume the "Coridan Engineering Institute" that made it through unscathed is located elsewhere. It's part of the People's Republic of Coridan (administrated by it, anyway) but not on Prime itself.

As for Hernandez' actions in the, er, "Battle of the Queens" , did Destiny 100% confirm that Coridan wasn't destroyed? We know Vulcan, Andor, Rigel IV and Qo'noS were saved from total destruction by her intervention, but maybe Coridan wasn't so resilliant in defense. I remember the Starfleet forces at Vulcan confirming explicitly that "Vulcan has been saved", and Andor was confirmed as having made it too. It's implied in "Over a Torrent Sea" that Rigel IV is also in a "still there but damaged" condition. As for Qo'noS, it's been mentioned several times that it was rendered "nearly uninhabitable", so it apparently got a greater pounding than Vulcan or Andor. I assume Coridan was already gone by the time Hernandez managed to pull off her mini Borg civil war. Maybe it had less ships protecting it than the others; perhaps a Borg cube slammed the planet or something. I assume the initial celebration that they saved five planets had a "no, no wait, make that four" moment...

EDIT: It just occurred to me: dilithium. Maybe Coridan was only as damaged as Vulcan or Andor but it set off another wave of dilithium fires, and that finished the world off. I don't know how much is left but we know Coridan still has dilithium mines. And "Warpath" mentioned the Burning Sea which is still apparently going strong 200 years after the Romulan incident started it off. Perhaps the biosphere was pushed over the edge in the days following the actual attack by this sort of disaster?
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Old April 27 2011, 12:29 PM   #4
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I think the Coridan Engineering Institute reference was a goof. I must've forgotten what I'd established in Chapter I by that point. However, it's certainly possible that there could be multiple inhabited planets and moons in the system.
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Old April 27 2011, 03:25 PM   #5
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Coridan? Bah, that's nothin'!

Andor? Now there's a confused planet. It not only went from arid desert world (Worlds of the Federation, implications in early DS9-R books) to icy moon (Star Trek: Enterprise) but it had a gender change to boot. Now it's "Andoria" (Oh la la, etc)

And then there's the Vulcan system and it's haphazard array of sometime sister planets, which are sometimes other planets in the system with erratic orbits and newly-installed icy, monster-filled death traps.

And then there's Alpha Centauri. What happened to the native human population, eh? It went the way of Janeway's Borg baby.

Remus! OMG I can't believe I nearly forgot Remus: Remus. Enough said.

Qo'nos!

So: Coridan. Coridan looks up from the ashes (assuming there are ashes, if the world was in fact actually hit) at the rest of the galaxy and LAUGHS. It laughs because despite billions dead (or are they?) it knows that it's world makes a hella lot of sense, comparitively.

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Old April 27 2011, 03:37 PM   #6
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You forgot Boreth, which went from ice planet in The Left Hand of Destiny to jungle world in Homecoming/The Farther Shore.
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Old April 27 2011, 03:53 PM   #7
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Oh my god! You killed Coridan. You bastards!
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Old April 27 2011, 03:57 PM   #8
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You forgot Boreth, which went from ice planet in The Left Hand of Destiny to jungle world in Homecoming/The Farther Shore.
Well, Kahless works in mysterious ways...

The best thing about this is that the "Spirit Walk" books later reference the events of tLHoD. Of course, there's no acknowledgement of the total climate discreprency between Homecoming and Left Hand...

Maybe they bring out the jungles specifically for the Challenge of Spirit and pack them up again afterwards? Hide them under the ice until next time?
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Old April 27 2011, 04:44 PM   #9
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. . . Could a planet or moon possibly have more than one environment?
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Old April 27 2011, 04:51 PM   #10
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. . . Could a planet or moon possibly have more than one environment?
According to "The Left Hand of Destiny", Boreth is a giant ice ball. Cold, glaciated. Hoth, basically. "Nothing is native to Boreth" says the Katai leader dismissively, but he doesn't add "...though a few years down the line you might find the odd tropical rainforest lurking about".

It's not a case of showing ice caps on one visit and then rainforest the next, which as you say is fine, it's that the planet is shown to be fully frozen. The planet's two portrayals are incompatible, though the continuity links in "Spirit Walk" glossed over it.
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Old April 27 2011, 04:56 PM   #11
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I just looked on Memory Alpha, and when they showed Boreth on screen in Rightful Heir, they did show a snowy mountain, so I'm guessing that's probably where thy got the ice ball thing from. And from the image of the planet, it doens't look very jungly to me.
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Old April 27 2011, 07:41 PM   #12
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In the Tears of Eridanus-verse, Coridan is prosperous and one of the four founding planets of the IU.

I felt it was owed something.
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Old April 27 2011, 07:44 PM   #13
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According to "The Left Hand of Destiny", Boreth is a giant ice ball. Cold, glaciated. Hoth, basically. "Nothing is native to Boreth" says the Katai leader dismissively, but he doesn't add "...though a few years down the line you might find the odd tropical rainforest lurking about".
Ahh, but there you go. Nothing is native to Boreth, but that doesn't mean the Klingons couldn't have terraformed a portion of Boreth using imported plant and animal species, creating a jungle preserve for their hunting rituals.
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Old April 27 2011, 09:19 PM   #14
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You forgot Boreth, which went from ice planet in The Left Hand of Destiny to jungle world in Homecoming/The Farther Shore.
And to make matters worse, if I recall correctly, they were released in successive months, or at least very close together.
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Old April 28 2011, 04:36 AM   #15
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In an episode of Deep Space Nine ("In the Cards", I believe), Sisko mentions that a station resident emigrated to a "world in the Coridan system", so evidently there are several inhabited planets at Coridan. Maybe Coridan Prime AKA Coridan III was completely ruined, but one of the outer colonies survived. The Coridan nation might still exist in the form of its colonies and outposts even if Coridan Prime didn't survive. For what it's worth, I've read all the references as implying total destruction for Coridan Prime. I assume the "Coridan Engineering Institute" that made it through unscathed is located elsewhere. It's part of the People's Republic of Coridan (administrated by it, anyway) but not on Prime itself.
All good points. Sol system only has three heavily inhabited planets--Earth, its Moon, and Mars--and I can see a sophisticated spacefaring culture like the Coridanites' with a longer history of spaceflight having more in-system "backups".

There's also the possibility that the Coridan system has multiple class M and L planets, a bit like the Cardassian system, whether naturally or through terraforming.

Regardless, ancillary worlds in a system probably would have been hit after the major worlds were fried.

As for Hernandez' actions in the, er, "Battle of the Queens" , did Destiny 100% confirm that Coridan wasn't destroyed?
It was, in sum, ambiguous.

As for Qo'noS, it's been mentioned several times that it was rendered "nearly uninhabitable", so it apparently got a greater pounding than Vulcan or Andor.
Nearly 80 million dead in the attacks on Klingon cities and things--Martok thought--were almost as bad after the Praxis explosion. It seems like the same sort of damage Andor and Vulcan got. Maybe it's the Klingon reaction, influenced by Praxis?

It just occurred to me: dilithium. Maybe Coridan was only as damaged as Vulcan or Andor but it set off another wave of dilithium fires, and that finished the world off. I don't know how much is left but we know Coridan still has dilithium mines. And "Warpath" mentioned the Burning Sea which is still apparently going strong 200 years after the Romulan incident started it off. Perhaps the biosphere was pushed over the edge in the days following the actual attack by this sort of disaster?
Oh! I hadn't taken that into consideration. Judging by the Romulan attack two centuries prior, Borg fire on the dilithium mines certainly could have had a cataclysmic event. Couple that with the planet's apparent underpopulation, and I can see the world being depopulated.

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I think the Coridan Engineering Institute reference was a goof. I must've forgotten what I'd established in Chapter I by that point. However, it's certainly possible that there could be multiple inhabited planets and moons in the system.
It's forttuitous, I think, that it happens. I'd like to think that something remains of Coridanite civilization in its home system.
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