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Old April 23 2012, 02:14 AM   #1
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Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

e.g. consoles with what i assume to be cardassian script seem to be used by everyone on the station without issue.

i have no problem suspending my disbelief but I'm curious if any of you trek-scholars have come across an explanation from the show's writers/creators?
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Old April 23 2012, 02:20 AM   #2
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

I've wondered this exact thing. And books and other documents, too - I can accept the dramatic convention of the universal translator for speech, but how could that possibly work for print?
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Old April 23 2012, 02:25 AM   #3
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

Everyone one wears UT contacts.
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Old April 23 2012, 02:31 AM   #4
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

^

I wonder if those would be really bothersome during allergy season?
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Old April 23 2012, 02:51 AM   #5
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

LOL--love the UT contacts idea, Temis.

Actually, given the technological levels involved with the equipment, I would have expected there to be a custom language module whereby various Cardassian dialects could be swapped... and that this could be re-engineered to accept other languages the Cardassians hadn't anticipated (like English). The first order of business for Miles would be to convert the language system for all console displays, independently settable for each person in their quarters if they wish to use their own native language.
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Old April 23 2012, 06:15 AM   #6
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

Something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2OfQdYrHRs ?
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Old April 23 2012, 07:55 AM   #7
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

I would imagine Bajorans would have a working knowledge of the Cardassian language. Odo and Quark I think would be fluent in Cardassian due to their jobs. Rom and Nog and other residents of the station may have had a working knowledge of Cardassian as well.

As for Starfleet, Jadzia and Ezri may have learned it - Jadzia may have taken the time to learn it and that was then passed to Ezri or one of the Dax Symbiont's past hosts may have learned it. Starfleet personnel assigned to DS9 may have had to take a course to learn to read Cardassian until the Station's computers could be set up to customize terminals to whoever was using them. Making that a prerequisite for assignment to DS9, would cut out anyone not interested in being assigned to the station unless they were essential personnel and were going there unless they quit Starfleet.
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Old April 23 2012, 08:13 AM   #8
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

to be fair, if you're familiar with a computer system, you don't really need to understand the language displayed to work the computer...

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Old April 23 2012, 08:40 AM   #9
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

You seen that iPhone app that using augmented reality replaces the text in, say a road sign with the language of your choice?

It works really well, sure it might not be a perfect translation, but enough to get by on.

I'd guess that the UT's do something similar, it's it's a cranial implant it might augment what the user is seeing as well as hearing, or like Temis said, it could be as simple as contact's.

We never saw it, but in the 24th century, I'd fully expect pretty much everyone to be using something similar to Google's 'glasses' concept.
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Old April 23 2012, 04:54 PM   #10
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

Actually, in Enterprise, they did show the UT being used, in at least one episode to translate computer data.

As said, anyone Bajoran or around with the Cardassians for any period of time would naturally know Cardassian. The Command staff, are shown many times using unfamiliar Foreign Electronics with little to no fore-knowledge. In fact, I think the only time there was shown to be a learning curve was with the Dominion Ships.

Plus I think, as Methos points out, a computer is a computer, there's got to be some logic behind how it's laid out and so forth, so once you understand that logic, it really doesn't matter if you can read "Docking Clamp Release" or simply know the Docking controls are on this specific display and the green symbol releases the docking clamps.
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Old April 23 2012, 05:05 PM   #11
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

Sindatur wrote: View Post
and the green symbol releases the docking clamps.
How can anyone be sure it's green that the Cardassians chose for "go" and not any other colour? Or that green means released docking clamps and not malfunction?
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Old April 23 2012, 05:24 PM   #12
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

Probably like this but more complicated.

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Old April 23 2012, 05:28 PM   #13
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

I have a problem with two of those symbols and I'm from the same planet they are
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Old April 23 2012, 05:47 PM   #14
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and the green symbol releases the docking clamps.
How can anyone be sure it's green that the Cardassians chose for "go" and not any other colour? Or that green means released docking clamps and not malfunction?
LOL, once it's known, I doubt it would change. I wasn't meaning that Green stood for anything particular, I meant once you know what button to press, that will always be the button to press for that fuction.
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Old April 24 2012, 12:07 PM   #15
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Re: Why is alien orthography intelligible to every species on ds9?

...Yet damningly enough, those Cardassian interfaces appear to change shape and configuration just as readily as their Starfleet equivalents do.

However, we have no particular reason to think the UT doesn't translate visuals. After all, whenever an alien speaks, his or her or its lips appear to move in synch with English!

It instead seems that the UT doesn't do a "complete" job, so reading of Klingon remains hard work even after all the help the UT can provide to Scotty in ST4... Just like reading Japanese may be very difficult even after every word is translated.

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