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View Poll Results: How do you grade The Avengers?
A+ 149 46.42%
A 102 31.78%
A- 30 9.35%
B+ 17 5.30%
B 11 3.43%
B- 5 1.56%
C+ 0 0%
C 4 1.25%
C- 1 0.31%
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Old May 27 2012, 04:07 PM   #1156
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About Clint hitting that Chitauri without looking at it:

He did that just as he was telling Tony that they "can't bank worth a damn."
I think that's exactly it. He had them figured out, he saw the Chitauri from the corner of his eye, he aimed and fired at where it was going to be in half a second.

Sure, Clint's just a "normal" human being...but I watched another "normal" human being fall thousands of feet in a metal shell, stop suddenly when caught and not be turned to Jello and bone shards inside that suit. I'm sure there's some comic-book techity-tech involved, which is beside the point.
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Old May 28 2012, 01:38 AM   #1157
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About Clint hitting that Chitauri without looking at it:

He did that just as he was telling Tony that they "can't bank worth a damn."
I think that's exactly it. He had them figured out, he saw the Chitauri from the corner of his eye, he aimed and fired at where it was going to be in half a second.

Sure, Clint's just a "normal" human being...but I watched another "normal" human being fall thousands of feet in a metal shell, stop suddenly when caught and not be turned to Jello and bone shards inside that suit. I'm sure there's some comic-book techity-tech involved, which is beside the point.
He's probably restricted enough in the suit that any stopping wouldn't be too hard, though it would shift around the internal organs some. And regardless of the height he fell once he hits terminal velocity that's it and he'll reach that in seconds of the fall. Hulk may also have caught him with some "give' in his arm to absorb the energy of the decent. So it was more like landing on a trampoline than landing on something hard that won't give.

The Avengers was de-throned this weekend as the #1 movie in America by Men in Black 3. Which surprised me as I wouldn't have expected MIB3 to have that big a draw.

Domestic Grosses Top 10:
MIB3: $55m
The Avengers: $37m (down 33% from last week)
Battleship: $10.8m (down 57% from last week)
The Dictator: $9.6m
Chernobyl Diaries: $8m
Dark Shadows: $7.5m
What to Expect...: $7.1m
Marigold Motel: 6.3m
Hunger Games: $2.7m
Think Like a Man: $1.4m

The Avengers sits at a world-wide gross of $1.3 billion, $513m domestic. It's ranked 4th in both Domestic and World Wide Grosses.

At this rate I'm not sure it'll dethrone Titanic or Avatar from the top spots in all time grosses as it'd need to double it's current grosses to make second place (Avatar sits at $2.78b.)

Next week's "big releases" are Snow White and the Huntsman and Madagascar 3 which I think should both pretty easily dethrone MIB3 (which I doubt will have great staying power.) Avengers should still hold-on to the top 4 or 5, it's been losing half its business each week so I'd expect it to do between $15m and $18m next week. SW and M3 should both easily do that and then some. If MIB loses the fairly "typical" half of its business into the second week it'll probably see around $25m.

Next week I predict:

1. Snow White: $60m
2. Madagascar 3: $50m (I think these two will be close.)
3. MIB3: $25m
4. Avengers: $15m
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Old May 28 2012, 02:03 AM   #1158
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Sure, Clint's just a "normal" human being...but I watched another "normal" human being fall thousands of feet in a metal shell, stop suddenly when caught and not be turned to Jello and bone shards inside that suit. I'm sure there's some comic-book techity-tech involved, which is beside the point.
Inertial dampers.
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Old May 28 2012, 02:57 AM   #1159
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Sure, Clint's just a "normal" human being...but I watched another "normal" human being fall thousands of feet in a metal shell, stop suddenly when caught and not be turned to Jello and bone shards inside that suit. I'm sure there's some comic-book techity-tech involved, which is beside the point.
Inertial dampers.
That's what I said - beside the point. It's all bullshit, so let Clint hit the goddamn Chitauri without looking. Folks laughed at that.

Biggest laugh and cheer of the night was, of course, Hulk smashing Loki into the floor repeatedly.

Does anyone actually think Coulson's dead?
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Old May 28 2012, 03:32 AM   #1160
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I was thinking that too. I think there's enough "room" in things for Coulson to be alive but if Whedon has anything to say about it I doubt it. (Assuming he writes/directs the next Avengers movie.)

But if TPTB behind the MCU want Coulson to be alive they can get away with it saying Coulson was revived off-screen and his death was faked to provide that "push" to get the team to work together at the cost of his Captain American trading cards.

If Marvel wants him alive then they'll make him alive again.
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Old May 28 2012, 03:45 AM   #1161
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We didn't see a body and we didn't really see a moment of death. I think the Son of Coul just might be seen again.
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Old May 28 2012, 03:47 AM   #1162
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Madagascar comes out this Friday?

Sonofabitch!

*marks through her planner(
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Old May 28 2012, 03:50 AM   #1163
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I was thinking that too. I think there's enough "room" in things for Coulson to be alive but if Whedon has anything to say about it I doubt it. (Assuming he writes/directs the next Avengers movie.)
I hope Agent Coulson is really dead. Bringing him back would feel so cheap since his death was so important in getting the Avengers together.
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Old May 28 2012, 04:08 AM   #1164
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I was thinking that too. I think there's enough "room" in things for Coulson to be alive but if Whedon has anything to say about it I doubt it. (Assuming he writes/directs the next Avengers movie.)
I hope Agent Coulson is really dead. Bringing him back would feel so cheap since his death was so important in getting the Avengers together.
Oh, I agree. Coulson's death means something in the MCU and bringing him back would just be absurd, but there is leeway to do it with and if Marvel wants him back...
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Old May 28 2012, 04:16 AM   #1165
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We didn't see a body and we didn't really see a moment of death. I think the Son of Coul just might be seen again.
Exactly. The last we saw was medics moving in to treat him.

What does Whedon have to say about the character's future? Probably next to nothing. It's unlikely, as either a writer or the director trying to create the best possible dramatic moment, that he'd have cut away from Coulson to have his death announced off-camera - so either he chose to leave the door open or he was instructed to do so by the studio (no way to know which).

The guy who announces his death also lies about the trading cards, of course.

There will be one or more other Marvel movies before the next Avengers, and none of them will be directed by Whedon.

What would bringing characters who had meaningful, dramatic deaths back to life mean for the Marvel "movie universe?"

Golly, it would mean that it's just like the Marvel Comics universe.
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Old May 28 2012, 04:24 AM   #1166
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What would bringing characters who had meaningful, dramatic deaths back to life mean for the Marvel "movie universe?"

Golly, it would mean that it's just like the Marvel Comics universe.
Has Uncle Ben been brought back in the comics yet?

I know DC and Marvel brought back Robin and Bucky, which is so silly.
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Old May 28 2012, 04:26 AM   #1167
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Has Uncle Ben been brought back in the comics yet?
Oh, look - you found one character who wasn't.

There are probably two or three others. Trust me, you don't want to tally up two lists.

I see Captain Marvel is up and about.
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Old May 28 2012, 04:51 AM   #1168
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They can rebuild Coulson. They have the technology.

I still think that if they do want to keep Clark Gregg involved in the MCU, they could bring him back as Vision. Just base him on Coulson's brain patterns instead of lame-o Wonder Man's.
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Old May 28 2012, 05:02 AM   #1169
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Does anyone actually think Coulson's dead?
He got Wash'd, I think he's a goner.

You could be right of course, but that's what I think right now.

Besides, they have Maria Hill now, and she's... such a well-developed character I want to see her get more screentime.
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Old May 28 2012, 05:15 AM   #1170
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Coulson's exit was so blatantly ambiguous I was sure we'd see him again before the movie even ended, in a post-credits scene at the least...

If he'd been given a clear death scene, I agree that bringing him back would be cheap. But in the given context, not to do so would practically be a Chekov's gun violation.
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