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View Poll Results: How do you grade The Avengers?
A+ 149 46.42%
A 102 31.78%
A- 30 9.35%
B+ 17 5.30%
B 11 3.43%
B- 5 1.56%
C+ 0 0%
C 4 1.25%
C- 1 0.31%
D+ 1 0.31%
D 0 0%
D- 0 0%
F 1 0.31%
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Old May 7 2012, 03:13 AM   #556
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I was just checking the poll results to see who voted what and I noticed that there was only one F vote from an Xavier Storma. Oddly enough I didn't see any post indicating why Xavier voted that way. Now, I'm not saying he was wrong to vote that way but...

An F is so dismissive. It's also so far against the voting grain that I'm wondering if Xavier even saw the movie. Is the F just a troll vote meant to slant the results or was it meant to register a genuine dislike of the movie?
If you read through the thread you should be able to find his review of the movie. He actually considers it closer to a C- but says that his browswer screwed up and voted F.

Whether or not you believe that is up to you, but he did say it was average.

No reason to disbelieve him. My votes have come out wrong before. A C-vote makes more sense to me. Thanks.

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Honestly people?! What's the hype.

After your raving reviews I went there yesterday and boy was I disappointed.

The first half of the film is slow, so slow... the dialogues are lame and pathetic. With the exception of Robert Downey Jr., Tom Hiddleston and Mark Rufallo the actors perfrom really statically. Even the usually excelent actress Scarlett Johansson performs underwhelingly. Evans and Hemsworth are not even worth mentioning.
And then the Technobabble... Ionic compensator here, Flux field modulator there... It was like listening to a random Voyager episode... Someone in the audience said "Boring" and people started to laugh...

The SFX sequences are great, and as soon as the aircraft carrier is attacked the film finally gains speed and action but until then the 70 minutes feel tiresome and boring. Dialogue seems forced and the whole direction like a TV show rather than a big budget blockbuster movie.

I enjoyed the effects (ILM once again), but I did not find the character chemistry so many here talk about. Even worse: Some characters just behave like idiots. When Iron Man fights Thor, Loki is waiting... for what? I mean he could get away within those 10 minutes of fight (which feel like an hour or so)...

The score is lame and exchangable.

For me it was a huge letdown. Actually I went in there to just enjoy the visuals (especially after the mediocre movies THOR and CA), but I had to fight through the first hour to get what I wanted...

What a disappointment.

Changed my mind. I don't believe him. Still interesting to see why he didn't like it.
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Old May 7 2012, 03:15 AM   #557
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I found Tony Stark strutting around for a good chunk of the movie in a "Black Sabbath" t-shirt just awesome.
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Old May 7 2012, 03:19 AM   #558
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If I really thought about it I could come up with complaints on this movie but right now nothing great beyond nitpicking stands out.
Which reminds me... Why didn't the helicarrier crash when two of its engines failed?
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Old May 7 2012, 03:20 AM   #559
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We need that Loki/Hulk GIF like, right now!!!!!
I actually have a clearer version than the one posted in the thread. Will try posting it later. ImageShack won't let me unless I pay for upgrade and my Photobucket account is maxed out on hits it seems now.

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Am I the only one getting a Ronan the Accuser vibe from the mwahhahaha type villain pulling Loki's strings on *Spoiler*'s behalf? And how would that make sense considering the dude's originally Kree?
I'm confused. You know who Ronan is but don't recognize that as Thanos? Also, Ronan would be tied up with Fox for Fantastic Four I'd think.


I didn't buy the "browser trouble" story, I think he just didn't realize the thread was public and was back peddling a bit.

I honestly don't see how anyone could give it less than A-, you'd have to invent reasons like the tag line Avengers Assemble not being uttered. The line not being there doesn't affect the awesomeness of what was delivered, it's just not there. Since they are now somewhat unified and of a team mind it will make sense in TA2. I mean Stark was really the only one(as noted by Fury) to be aware of the term Avenger. Cap heard it here, now post Coulson, but it wasn't mentioned by name, Avenger Initiative in Thor or Hulk. So NOT saying Avengers Assemble in context of the film makes sense really.


I do like reading how people are warmed back up to the idea of a solo Hulk film following this path as laid out by Whedon. Also, a solo Black Widow film. However, not just anyone could write it. It would have to be Whedon imo. We've seen what happens when others write Elektra or Catwoman, they fuck it up for whatever reasons.
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Old May 7 2012, 03:24 AM   #560
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I would love a Joss written Hulk flick but he's not necessarily the only person who could write a good Hulk movie. Peter David might be able to write an interesting Hulk movie based on the post-Avengers version. Then again PAD has minimal experience in screenwriting and NO experience writing big budget productions...He does however have TONS of Hulk writing experience. I would prefer that Joss write it, though.
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Old May 7 2012, 03:30 AM   #561
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If I really thought about it I could come up with complaints on this movie but right now nothing great beyond nitpicking stands out.
Which reminds me... Why didn't the helicarrier crash when two of its engines failed?
It began losing altitude, Iron Man managed to get the engine damaged by Hawkeye's arrow running again before it crashed. (IIRC, it was at around 10,000 feet when the engine began running again.)

Which brings up my nitpicky complaint that Joss (or whoever) seemed to forget that walking around outside at high altitude isn't exactly possible. The Hellicarrier was flying over the clouds which would put it at the same altitude commercial jets fly at, around 30,000-40,000 feet. At that height it's not only very cold but there's practically no air to breathe. Yet we see Captain America, Hawkeye and Nick Fury all outside while the Hellicarrier is flying at altitude, there were also times when a plane or something was at altitude and someone would open a door or something which, again, would de-pressurize the craft which would be bad news for the exposed mortals inside.

Iron Man in a pressurized suit wouldn't be bothered by the lack of air, nor would Hulk or Thor likely be bothered but Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury and even Captain America are still mortal humans that come with all of the expected weaknesses. (IIRC Captain America is only at peak human capabilities and not strictly "super powered.")

So it stood out as odd to me to see the mortal human characters outside at high altitude (again with very thin air and very cold temperatures) without really being bothered by it. That's probably one thing that took me out of the movie if even only a little bit.

I do like reading how people are warmed back up to the idea of a solo Hulk film following this path as laid out by Whedon. Also, a solo Black Widow film.
I believe a Black Widow film with ScarJo actually is planned. As for a solo Hulk film with Ruffalo? I'd be interested in seeing it but I think the biggest hurdle is I think the Hulk works best with someone else. When Banner is Hulk he's not much more than ass-punching and quips. Which really only worked here because of the way he played off the others.
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Old May 7 2012, 03:36 AM   #562
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We need that Loki/Hulk GIF like, right now!!!!!
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3...iirso1_400.gif

There you go.
I'd like to see the Hulk-Thor GIF.
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Old May 7 2012, 03:50 AM   #563
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I would love a Joss written Hulk flick but he's not necessarily the only person who could write a good Hulk movie. Peter David might be able to write an interesting Hulk movie based on the post-Avengers version. Then again PAD has minimal experience in screenwriting and NO experience writing big budget productions...He does however have TONS of Hulk writing experience. I would prefer that Joss write it, though.
What about a Peter David story for a Joss Whedon script?
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Old May 7 2012, 03:51 AM   #564
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That would be cool. I'm sure PAD has a buttload of wonderful stories Joss could adapt. Personally I think they should get William Hurt back for Hulk 2 and have him fight Mark Rufallo as Red Hulk. Save The Leader for Hulk 3.
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Old May 7 2012, 04:06 AM   #565
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Can't imagine what Joss Whedon would need with Peter David - he can do the same thing, better, with his left hand.
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Old May 7 2012, 04:07 AM   #566
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He really doesn't.
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Old May 7 2012, 04:36 AM   #567
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...it's just the "best movie ever" part and the near perfect ranking that I don't get fully. For you Babylon 5 fans out there, I feel like Lochley at the Rebo & Zooty show right now.
For the record I never found Rebo and Zooty funny much either.

As for the "best movie ever" and A+ rating. I think it was an A+ for it's entertainment value. I really enjoyed the film, but it isn't the best movie I've ever seen simply because different movies can be very entertaining in different ways. There are a lot of non genre films I really like and have enjoyed immensely, but for different reasons from enjoying films like Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, Casino Royale, Raiders Of The Lost Ark, Alien, the Bourne trilogy and Avengers.

You can also say a film can be objectively great and yet have a personal preference for something else. Batman is my personal all time favourite superhero and I really enjoyed The Dark Knight as much as I enjoyed Avengers. I never really read much of the Marvel characters featured in Avengers, but the film did a very good job of getting me interested nonetheless.

Why does it have to be either/or? Enjoying something immensely doesn't mean you're betraying anything you liked a lot before. It just means it's one more film in your favourites list.
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Old May 7 2012, 06:08 AM   #568
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Saw it tonight. Gave it an A.

The Hulk was the star (Ruffalo did a serviceable job as Banner too, but I do mean the Hulk). Downey Jr. was great as always. Evans, Johansson, Renner were all good. I felt Thor was a bit weak. However, I thought he had nice moments. The sense I got was his connection with Loki was so strong that it would risk overpowering the movie. So, to counter that, they had to pull back on Thor to a considerable degree. He had a few good moments during the slow scenes. But, after his initial fight with Loki towards the end, he was limited to a fairly background role after that. Once again, I don't blame them, I'm just saying that it's unfortunate but probably necessary.

Overall, it was quite good. It had a nice buildup that actually paid off well. It had great dialog. Obviously, it did not have strong character arcs, but this movie never would have worked with one. I do think the idea of independent heroes having to go together was an effective theme, especially with Loki the trickster as the villain. The battle in the woods was gratuitous, but in a good way. I'd say it was a movie played well for strong entertainment value.
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Old May 7 2012, 06:19 AM   #569
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To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Coulson isn't really dead. One of the things we have to remember about his character is that he isn't a a classic Marvel character; his first appearance is in the MCU. We honestly don't know much about him or his background, his motivations or even his purpose. What we do know is that he has resonated with the film-going public.

Coulson is almost like one of the G-Men from Half-Life. Very mysterious. I, for one, hope we haven't seen the last of Coulson.
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This was the most fun I have had at the movies in quite some time.
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