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Old May 24 2012, 04:35 PM   #1
Ezri D
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Same Sex Marriage

Thinking over the past few months on my own, that Star Trek should have the first same sex couple in their next Star Trek television series – as Star Trek has opened new doors for people. Star Trek during TOS was the first show to ever show a kiss between a black woman and a white man. Star Trek was a first for a number of taboo type conflicts since the 1960’s. Star Trek, would not take the leading role with a same sex marriage, but, it can follower.

To make it more acceptable, I would say it may be more acceptable if the same sex married couple are female then male.
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Old May 24 2012, 04:50 PM   #2
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Re: Same Sex Marriage

If the next incarnation of Star Trek, movies notwithstanding, doesn't feature at least one gay person (I don't necessarily mean a regular, though it would be nice) then I may just give up on the franchise going forward. It's frankly shameful the way the show went from (YMMV, and I'm not looking to get into an argument about it) being ahead of its time to lagging behind and taking half-steps.
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Old May 24 2012, 05:06 PM   #3
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If the next incarnation of Star Trek, movies notwithstanding, doesn't feature at least one gay person (I don't necessarily mean a regular, though it would be nice) then I may just give up on the franchise going forward. It's frankly shameful the way the show went from (YMMV, and I'm not looking to get into an argument about it) being ahead of its time to lagging behind and taking half-steps.
As I see it, Star Trek from the 1960's until the end of Deep Space 9 was taking the lead with their fans. Now, even with Enterprise, it is the fans that take the lead and the franchise tags along.
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Old May 24 2012, 05:23 PM   #4
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Re: Same Sex Marriage

See the General Trek Sub Forum, "Debunking Star Trek Exceptionalism" thread for the debate on what Star Trek really was first with (many of their credited "firsts" weren't really firsts, but, still right up there on the forefront of controversial issues). You probably don't want to cloud up your SSM thread with that debate (it can get ugly, LOL)

But, yea, it's long past time for Star Trek to feature a Gay character as either a regular or a recurring character, just please, don't camp it up with a Richard Simmons (Or bull dog female) stereotype, just give us a nice normal guy (or girl) who happens to be attracted to the same gender. No big flashing neon signs, just let them talk about their feelings and dates (and maybe show one/some) or a married couple would be great too, talking politics over dinner or breakfast while holding hands, peck on the cheek, etc, no reason for them to be any differently written then a straight married couple, the looks, the hand holding, and all the other normal married stuff is plenty.
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Old May 24 2012, 05:40 PM   #5
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Re: Same Sex Marriage

Sindatur wrote: View Post
But, yea, it's long past time for Star Trek to feature a Gay character as either a regular or a recurring character, just please, don't camp it up with a Richard Simmons (Or bull dog female) stereotype, just give us a nice normal guy (or girl) who happens to be attracted to the same gender. No big flashing neon signs, just let them talk about their feelings and dates (and maybe show one/some) or a married couple would be great too, talking politics over dinner or breakfast while holding hands, peck on the cheek, etc, no reason for them to be any differently written then a straight married couple, the looks, the hand holding, and all the other normal married stuff is plenty.
QFT!

It is long past time for Trek to have a gay character. The chance to make a statement about a same-sex couple being in Trek was left behind at the beginning of TNG. When they do include a character and/or couple(s), then it should be done in the exact same way as straight characters/couples are done, nothing flashy or melodramatic about it, just two people in love.

As for whether it should be a male or female couple, I'd say go with two men--it is still the more 'shocking' pairing.
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Old May 24 2012, 06:24 PM   #6
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Re: Same Sex Marriage

IIRC, back early in TNGs run Gene Roddenberry (back when it was not politically incorrect to suggest this) indicated that he thought homosexuals would not exist in the 24th century.

Why?

Selective abortion.

In vitro testing would be easily able to identify a fetus genetically prone to homosexuality and that the parents would choose to abort it.

Given that presumably most parents would want their children to be like them.
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Old May 24 2012, 06:34 PM   #7
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It definitely should be a male couple. No sense catering to homophobic fanboys by letting them off easy with lipstick lesbians.

But the next series will be on cable, where such things are now boring and mundane.
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Old May 24 2012, 06:40 PM   #8
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It definitely should be a male couple. No sense catering to homophobic fanboys by letting them off easy with lipstick lesbians.

But the next series will be on cable, where such things are now boring and mundane.
Well, knowing modern Trek producers actions in the past, any homosexual couple would be aliens or humans from an obscure colony world where "ways are different".
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Old May 24 2012, 06:42 PM   #9
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Re: Same Sex Marriage

...don't even get me started...
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Old May 24 2012, 06:43 PM   #10
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A future Star Trek series isn't going to be on network TV, so those kinds of chickenshit dodges won't be needed. In fact, it's questionable whether they're needed on network TV anymore. Definitely not on cable or someplace like Netflix.
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Old May 24 2012, 06:50 PM   #11
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A future Star Trek series isn't going to be on network TV, so those kinds of chickenshit dodges won't be needed. In fact, it's questionable whether they're needed on network TV anymore. Definitely not on cable or someplace like Netflix.
Yeah, but ST:TNG and DS9 were not on networks either and neither of them were particularly groundbreaking on social issues.

Success tends to produce conservatism. When the money starts rolling in, people prefer to "keep the money rolling" and not "push the envelope".
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Old May 24 2012, 07:06 PM   #12
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Re: Same Sex Marriage

Knight Templar wrote: View Post
IIRC, back early in TNGs run Gene Roddenberry (back when it was not politically incorrect to suggest this) indicated that he thought homosexuals would not exist in the 24th century.

Why?

Selective abortion.

In vitro testing would be easily able to identify a fetus genetically prone to homosexuality and that the parents would choose to abort it.

Given that presumably most parents would want their children to be like them.
Citation needed.
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Old May 24 2012, 07:15 PM   #13
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IIRC, back early in TNGs run Gene Roddenberry (back when it was not politically incorrect to suggest this) indicated that he thought homosexuals would not exist in the 24th century.

Why?

Selective abortion.

In vitro testing would be easily able to identify a fetus genetically prone to homosexuality and that the parents would choose to abort it.

Given that presumably most parents would want their children to be like them.
Citation needed.
Can't. Don't even know for sure if it was GR. It most certainly wasn't David Gerrold. And I don't think it was D.C. Fontana.

It was just a line in a magazine (possibly Starlog) back when ST:TNG was not even on the air yet.
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Old May 24 2012, 07:44 PM   #14
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Re: Same Sex Marriage

Knight Templar wrote: View Post
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Knight Templar wrote: View Post
IIRC, back early in TNGs run Gene Roddenberry (back when it was not politically incorrect to suggest this) indicated that he thought homosexuals would not exist in the 24th century.

Why?

Selective abortion.

In vitro testing would be easily able to identify a fetus genetically prone to homosexuality and that the parents would choose to abort it.

Given that presumably most parents would want their children to be like them.
Citation needed.
Can't. Don't even know for sure if it was GR.
Then perhaps you shouldn't attribute that saying to him.
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Old May 24 2012, 07:44 PM   #15
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Re: Same Sex Marriage

I don't see why this should even be a question. There should definitely be homosexual married couples depicted in future Star Trek, and there should be male ones as well. There's no need to please homophobes watching the franchise any more.

It's pretty bad that to date the only way homosexual couples on Star Trek were either aliens previously of different genders or from the evil mirror universe.

Though I loved how in Rejoined, no character in the episode ever commented on the gender of Jadzia and Lenara, and that there was absolutely no indication on screen of anyone, whether from the characters or the makes, who found anything unusual in the situation. Any future depiction should follow that model, although I wouldn't have an issue with some homophobic aliens.
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