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Old May 6 2012, 10:44 PM   #76
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State of Flux

Neelix is awesome; I love it that they have a character that knows so much about the area, but is able to deliver his knowledge is such an oddball humorous way!

They are foraging on another planet. A Kazon ship is cloaked right outside of the Voyager and the away team needs to beam back. Chakotay goes after Seska who was inside of a cave picking mushrooms so she could show Neelix how to make Chakotay’s favorite soup; how cute! Chakotay is injured, but healing and the ship is able to leave without interference from the Kazon. Seska brings Chakotay mushroom soup and tells him how she had to steal the mushrooms back from Neelix in order to make Chakotay’s soup. Chakotay is upset that she committed a crime and tells her that everyone involved, including himself, will not have replicator use for two days. Seska tries to seduce Chakotay, reminding him of their previous love affair and tries to make him jealous by saying she was going to hit on Kim. Why Kim? Why not Paris at least, he is more of a pretty boy, and that might actually make Chakotay raise an eyebrow, but Kim?

The Voyager responds to a hail for help and when they find the Kazon ship the crew members were basically melted into the ship, except one who was left alive. It occurred because of a technological problem when the Kazon tried to add Federation technology to their ship. B’ellana recognizes a Federation material, which is distinctly different from Kazon technology. The most logical way the Kazon would have received Federation tech was from someone on the ship; thank you Tuvok. (I’m not sure if Janeway would have come to this conclusion herself; while she is badass, she is also very trusting). Seska is the obvious trader. She was alone on the ship, and later in order to help Engineering finish a task faster she beamed back onto the Kazon ship.

Janeway grills Kerry trying to figure out if he was responsible and limits him to his quarters. He’s been beaten out by B’ellana for Chief Engineer, and it was his work station that the last message was sent from. The Kazon flag the Voyager down and are allowed to board in order to see their injured crew member. However, Janeway will not release the Kazon until she figures out how they got Federation technology. Upon hearing this, the Kazon killed the injured man. The doctor noticed that Seska did not have her blood registered on the ship and when they checked her blood after she was injured they found that she did not have Bajoran blood, rather Cardassian. Oh, and we get another great hands-on-the-hips moment from our loving, yet firm Captain when she confronts the Kazon!

Laying the bait; I’m so happy we are still this underhanded in the future. Who stole the Federation technology? Both Seska and Kerry were given the same information in order to see which one acted….and Seska took the bait! She is Cardassian and gave the Kazon the replicator. She beamed off the ship and left to be with the Kazon.

At the end, Chakotay asks Tuvok for an “honest” answer. Tuvok says that he can’t lie as a Vulcan (despite the fact that he lied “for his own convictions” when he was a spy, as well as in this episode to Lt Kerry…). He asks if he’s gullible, to which Tuvok says that he relies on his emotions, and they let him down, which is more a failing of humans in general than him as an individual. He goes on to say that he also was fooled by Seska, and Chakotay feels better because “misery loves company”…

Favorite Part: I originally thought that the writers were using Seska as a red-herring, but had done so too dramatically and gave it away. However, the writers used this technique in order to intentionally mislead the viewers into dismissing Seska as a red-herring, when she was actually being set up for a major antagonist role for the series! Well-written!

Least favorite part: Chakotay won’t get mushroom soup anymore….
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Old May 7 2012, 03:53 PM   #77
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So, I was supposed to watching The Invaders with Roy Thinnes (I enjoyed it very much when it was on PBS in reruns in the 1980s), but, after 5 episodes, I realized I just wasn't in the right mood for it, so, even though I am supposed to be saving Voyager for my mom to borrow, next weekend, I decided she'd have to wait, until next month, and she'll have to settle for Enterprise for now.

So, I'm a couple epsiodes ahead of Qutluch and I'm enjoying it just fine so far. I remember hating the Kazon, in first run, but, up to this point, they aren't really annoying me yet.

I'm surprised to see the Doctor struggling with naming himself, this early on, I seem to recall it being a running theme, later in the series, and it seems it will wear itself thin, if they follow that story to heavily, so, I'll have to wait and see on that one. State of Flux was a really good one, and yea, you gotta feel sorry Chakotay, first learning about Tuvok infiltrating/spying and then finding out about Seska, that really would make you question how competent you really are.

You definitely don't want to get between Janeway and her Coffee, look what she did that poor Nebula Lifeform round about episode 6. Rammed into it's guts, tried to harvest it's White-Blood cells for energy resources, and then gave it an ulcer busting back out. Truth be told, Janeway is rather aggressive, and I know how Coffee (or caffeine in general) addicts and smokers can get really stressed when deprived of their addiction. I would think the last thing you would want, under the stressful circumstances Voyager is in, would be an already aggresive Captain to be without her coffee. So, I think that was kinda silly, that Tom had Holodeck rations available, while she's cringing for coffee. If there isn't enough energy to go around to keep the Captain in Coffee, there sure shouldn't be energy available to waste on Holodeck privelleges (Surely a Holodeck program would take up, drastically more energy than replicating a cup of coffee). Sure, I understand the crew needs their holodeck privelleges to blow off steam, but, like Shoreleave, I think it should be very few and far between when energy is so tight.

Oh, and I got a kick out of seeing Janeway's Spirit Guide was a lizard, I never caught that in first run.

Regarding Janeway shipping, I think she should remain single and just be Planet Babe of the Week Slut like Kirk was, the Captain shouldn't be in a heavy long-term relationship with any of her crew. I mean, sure, if she wants to visit Chakotay's Teepee on occasion to releive some tension (and/or any of the other 'ships people put forward, OK, that's cool, but, as Captain, she doesn't have the luxury of concentrating on making a long term relationship work under her current circumstances)
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Old May 7 2012, 04:14 PM   #78
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During the rationing/coffee episode I had the same thought. The holosuite has to suck up energy; especially with the really in-depth detailed programs that the crew tends to run. Its not like they create a bar to play darts, they re-create books, go rock climbing, have interactive (is this the right term?) holopeople.... How does the replicator take more energy? Can't they solve their energy problem? With the different worlds/cultures they are interacting with you would think that they could at least fix some of their technical difficulties.
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Old May 7 2012, 05:14 PM   #79
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Oh, and I got a kick out of seeing Janeway's Spirit Guide was a lizard, I never caught that in first run.
Thanks for emphasizing this. It made me look up the role of the lizard guide, and this may be my absolute favorite part about VOY!

Choosing the lizard for Janeway was a brillant idea by the writers. Her roll as a Captain and the roll of the VOY is explained quite well by the lizard guide. Check this article out: http://www.shamanicjourney.com/artic...d-conservation

It talks about moving on from the past, paying close attention to your intuition, letting go of old ideas, moving ahead with confidence, etc. It is a perfect metaphor for the Voyager being thrown 70,000 light years away from their mission. The kind of cool thing is that it fits both Janeway and the plot of VOY.
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Old May 7 2012, 05:50 PM   #80
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During the rationing/coffee episode I had the same thought. The holosuite has to suck up energy; especially with the really in-depth detailed programs that the crew tends to run. Its not like they create a bar to play darts, they re-create books, go rock climbing, have interactive (is this the right term?) holopeople.... How does the replicator take more energy? Can't they solve their energy problem? With the different worlds/cultures they are interacting with you would think that they could at least fix some of their technical difficulties.
The Holodeck power is incompatable with the rest of the ship, have these guys never heard of a convertor?
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Old May 7 2012, 09:46 PM   #81
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Can't they make a holo-replicator? That way, it would use "holodeck energy" but create real stuff. When they eat in the holodeck, are they eating holo-food or "real" replicated food?
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Old May 7 2012, 10:31 PM   #82
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Shatnertage wrote: View Post
Can't they make a holo-replicator? That way, it would use "holodeck energy" but create real stuff. When they eat in the holodeck, are they eating holo-food or "real" replicated food?
I've watched all but the last 3 episodes of S1, and in one trip to the holodeck, Harry is worried about drinking late at night, and Tom says something like "it's Holo-alcohol", so, yea, I think it just gives you the impression you are eating or driniking, but, no substance.
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Old May 8 2012, 05:15 AM   #83
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Holograms can be augmented with force beams to simulate solid, tangible objects or with replicator technology to create actual solid matter such as foodstuffs. All food eaten on the holodeck are replications. No other type of simulation would survive outside of the holodeck.

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Old May 8 2012, 08:41 PM   #84
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Qutluch wrote: View Post
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Oh, and I got a kick out of seeing Janeway's Spirit Guide was a lizard, I never caught that in first run.
Thanks for emphasizing this. It made me look up the role of the lizard guide, and this may be my absolute favorite part about VOY!

Choosing the lizard for Janeway was a brillant idea by the writers. Her roll as a Captain and the roll of the VOY is explained quite well by the lizard guide. Check this article out: http://www.shamanicjourney.com/artic...d-conservation

It talks about moving on from the past, paying close attention to your intuition, letting go of old ideas, moving ahead with confidence, etc. It is a perfect metaphor for the Voyager being thrown 70,000 light years away from their mission. The kind of cool thing is that it fits both Janeway and the plot of VOY.

Loved that site, and loved this comment...

If Lizard is your power animal, heed your own intuition before anyone else’s.

Sounds like Janeway to me!
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Old May 8 2012, 08:59 PM   #85
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Perfect comment for a Captain. Check out my thread on Spirit Guides. I posted more from that website!
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Old May 8 2012, 10:22 PM   #86
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That's a pretty cool new avatar.
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Old May 9 2012, 12:18 AM   #87
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Thanks Shatnertage. It is an awesome avatar! Well done.
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Old May 9 2012, 12:25 AM   #88
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In my favourite episode Muse, they both make out with Tom Paris at the same time.
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Old May 10 2012, 05:19 AM   #89
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Heroes and Demons

Harry Kim is in the holodeck, and cannot be reached. Tuvok and Chakotay go in manually to find him. Kim has created a program based on the epic poem, Beowulf. When he goes missing, Tuvok and Chakotay search the holodeck for him. Freya confronts Tuvok and Chakotay and after she describes Beowulf (Kim). Tuvok responds, “Grand Eloquence notwithstanding that would qualify as a description of Kim.” I love this! Even though Kim is somewhat growing on me I still enjoy a good guffaw at Kim! They have some great costumes in the holonovel. Why is it that the crew does not automatically change into the appropriate costume when they enter a holoprogram?

I like Tuvok and Chakotay’s chat on demons in human culture. Chakotay explains that giving demons physical form in heroic literature allow humans to cope with their darkest emotions. Tuvok responds that such fables are necessary in cultures that unduly emphasize emotional behavior and that Vulcan literature does not contain any demons. Chakotay retorts that that is the reason why Vulcan literature is not popular! (And why Klingons made Opera cool again…)

While going through the censors they find that Kim was probably converted into energy when Grendel “killed” him. Photonic energy leaked into the holodeck and the conversion nodes were contaminated. Tuvok and Chakotay are “killed” (converted into energy) by Grendel too. Paris suggests that they send the Doctor into the holodeck. Kes suggests that the doctor pick a name before he leaves so he feels more like a Starfleet officer... “All hail Schweitzer!” Schweitzer? Albert Schweitzer…a medical theologian? How anti-climactic, and more importantly, what a horrible name!! Why is it that Unferth’s hand is injured when he brings his sword through the doctor when he is in his incorporeal form? How would that injure him? The scene with Freya and the doctor makes me wonder if he is “fully functional” like Data….

To make a long, somewhat overdone, story short (and I was so hopeful for a good doctor episode), Freya steps in the way and saves “Schweitzer” from Unferth. The crew found that Grendel is a life form and that until the Voyager hands over the samples they have (which are actually life forms) Grendel will not return their personnel. The Doc is successful and Tuvok, Chakotay, and Kim are all back safe and sound. Janeway tries to make the Chief Medical Officer feel better and asks for his official name and sure enough he decides to not keep it because the name’s memory is too painful. Why does the Doc have emotions and Data (originally) did not? How does the Doctor’s technology work? Why is it that he can only roam around in the holodeck and sick bay? I would think that with the advanced technology they could make it possible for him to go anywhere he wanted on the ship….

Favorite part: Tuvok and Chakotay’s discussion on why Earth’s literature has demons in it and the Doctor’s decision not to keep his name!!

Least favorite part: Why doesn’t the holoprogram put the crew in costume? It would be so much more fun if the crew was in appropriate costume! I loved Worf dressed up as a cowboy in DS9 (Fistful of Datas)!! Can you even imagine the awesome costume they could have given Janeway when she was hustling pool in Paris’ holoscene?
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Harry was in costume. Tuvok/Chak and the EMH weren't because they were on duty looking for their missing crew, not playing.

I think the EMH was programmed differently, therefore he had what he perceived was emotion at this early stage. He was programmed with " two thousand medical reference sources and the experience of forty seven individual medical officers". I suspect that experience includes a fair amount of "emotional" bedside manners. Some good and some not so good. That bedside manner allows him to relate in a way Data never could.

As for relating like Data... a mild spoiler is the EMH isn't "fully functional".

Yet.
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