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Old April 13 2012, 09:42 PM   #31
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Re: What's with the Uniforms?

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Good point. However, Kirk and Spock could also skirts. Skirts were worn by male officers while on duty in TNG. And I think Scotty wore a kilt with his dress uniform once on TOS.
Maybe the male version could be a pair of short shorts
Like spandex boxer briefs
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Old April 14 2012, 07:20 AM   #32
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Sounds like a plan.
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Old April 19 2012, 06:11 PM   #33
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Re: What's with the Uniforms?

In 1964, Roddenberry had conceived of Starfleet as "The Pacific Fleet in Space". He was a WWII vet, if you'll recall, and had adopted the peace activist jingo only later in the Sixties.
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Old April 19 2012, 07:11 PM   #34
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TOS had plenty of female officers, and yeoman is a title, not a rank.

But as for why the female officers in Trek XI wear uniforms with no sleeves and therefore no way to display their rank, it's unfortunately another example of the movie's desire to look good over making sense. Sadly, Abrams and his Cohorts are in this only to make a buck, not to be realistic in any definition of the word.
You do know it's a movie about people doing things in the future in space often times a many times fast than the speed of light because an alien (who looks a lot like a human even though they evolved on different planets on opposite sides of the galaxy) shot a laser beam at them...right?
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Old April 20 2012, 08:53 AM   #35
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You do know it's a movie about people doing things in the future in space often times a many times fast than the speed of light because an alien (who looks a lot like a human even though they evolved on different planets on opposite sides of the galaxy) shot a laser beam at them...right?
That's the most circuitous version of the "It's only a movie." excuse I've seen.
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Old April 20 2012, 10:35 AM   #36
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Re: What's with the Uniforms?

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Good point. However, Kirk and Spock could also skirts. Skirts were worn by male officers while on duty in TNG. And I think Scotty wore a kilt with his dress uniform once on TOS.
Maybe the male version could be a pair of short shorts
Like spandex boxer briefs
A letter writing campaign must begin immediately!!
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Old April 20 2012, 03:45 PM   #37
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Maybe the male version could be a pair of short shorts
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A letter writing campaign must begin immediately!!
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Old April 20 2012, 04:40 PM   #38
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I'd go and watch that film!
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Old April 20 2012, 04:45 PM   #39
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Have you seen the way Riker sits?
You probably have to pass some kind of licensing exam to get issued a skant.

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Old April 20 2012, 06:12 PM   #40
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Be glad at least that they're not as bad as what appeared in The Cage and WNMHGB. Those stripe combinations made no damn sense whatsoever, nor did the uniform colors.
In "The Cage," one stripe meant officer, a black and gold stripe meant noncom, and no stripe meant enlisted.
There seems to be more complication than that. Chief Garrison wore a stripe with holes cut out of it (and a solid stripe on his field jacket); several apparent enlisted crewmen wore wide blue stripes on their field jackets; and Yeoman Colt wore nothing on either her jacket or her shirtsleeve.

Reference sources, such as Star Trek.com refer to Colt as an officer. Perhaps she was an Ensign or Lieutenant J.G.? (Memory Alpha lists her rank as Lieutenant, which is also her usual rank in Pike-era books and comics.)

Individual ranks still existed, but they seemed to be regarded more like titles. Position (like who was captain, first officer, chief engineer, etc.) seemed to be more important than the number of stripes on a sleeve, IMO.
I read somewhere (Memory Alpha?) that the original idea for officer ranks was along the lines of Napoleonic-era rank schemes, in which all mid-level and senior officers except the captain were lieutenants by grade, with authority varying by position.
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Old April 20 2012, 08:09 PM   #41
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Be glad at least that they're not as bad as what appeared in The Cage and WNMHGB. Those stripe combinations made no damn sense whatsoever, nor did the uniform colors.
In "The Cage," one stripe meant officer, a black and gold stripe meant noncom, and no stripe meant enlisted.
There seems to be more complication than that.
Not really. Seems fairly straightforward.
Chief Garrison wore a stripe with holes cut out of it (and a solid stripe on his field jacket);
The aforementioned noncom stripe (descriptions can vary). Garrison was said to be a chief warrant officer, so having a stripe like that would correspond with that.
several apparent enlisted crewmen wore wide blue stripes on their field jackets;
You mean on some hazard team vests? Those aren't rank stripes. Firefighters wear similar wide stripes on their jackets (they reflect light, which comes in handy in dark, hard-to-see environments).
and Yeoman Colt wore nothing on either her jacket or her shirtsleeve.

Reference sources, such as Star Trek.com refer to Colt as an officer. Perhaps she was an Ensign or Lieutenant J.G.? (Memory Alpha lists her rank as Lieutenant, which is also her usual rank in Pike-era books and comics.)
I don't believe her rank was ever mentioned onscreen though, so I'll go with the no stripes meaning enlisted.
Individual ranks still existed, but they seemed to be regarded more like titles. Position (like who was captain, first officer, chief engineer, etc.) seemed to be more important than the number of stripes on a sleeve, IMO.
I read somewhere (Memory Alpha?) that the original idea for officer ranks was along the lines of Napoleonic-era rank schemes, in which all mid-level and senior officers except the captain were lieutenants by grade, with authority varying by position.
There was also a commander rank during that time.
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Old April 21 2012, 12:22 AM   #42
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Have you seen the way Riker sits?
You probably have to pass some kind of licensing exam to get issued a skant.
The skant does has a divide in it. And there's probably a regulation jockstrap/undergarment underneath.
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Old April 21 2012, 01:19 AM   #43
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Have you seen the way Riker sits?
You probably have to pass some kind of licensing exam to get issued a skant.

Imagine how Data would feel (provided he had his emotion chip) whenever Riker wore a skant and propped his foot on the ledge of Data's console...
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Old April 21 2012, 01:43 AM   #44
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There was also a commander rank during that time.
I always assumed that the rank of Commander was created to depict the officer who actually runs the ship - the Captain used to be just the one who OWNS the ship and did not actively command it. Is this what you were meaning?
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Old April 21 2012, 01:51 AM   #45
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Imagine how Data would feel (provided he had his emotion chip) whever Riker wore a skant and propped his foot on the ledge of Data's console...
This is the most repulsive thing I've ever read.

Thankfully there is NO RIKER in NuTrek
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