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Old April 24 2012, 06:20 PM   #1
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Was the Doctor "too human"???

While watching the series I always get the feeling that the Doctor acts to much like a real human being, with feelings etc. You can basically not distinguish him from a human being. I find this rather disappointing to the character. When comparing with Data on TNG who is the artificial lifeform there, I found that the portrayal of the latter was more believable and realistic. Therefore I find the skills of the actor performing Data superior than that of the playing the Doctor. What do you think? Was the Doctor performed as being "too human"?
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Old April 24 2012, 07:52 PM   #2
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

The difference between Data and the EMH is that Data was programmed without emotions, whilst the EMH was
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Old April 24 2012, 08:02 PM   #3
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

how can you say that?

Data was designed to be a life form.

The doctor was designed to be a beast of burden tool.

What idiot designs a hammer that can feel pain and beg for mercy?
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Old April 24 2012, 08:12 PM   #4
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

the doctor was programmed with a hell of a lot of personality subroutines, which would make him seem human. plus he was desinged decades after data.
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Old April 24 2012, 10:57 PM   #5
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

The Doctor is designed to mimic a human being exactly, its never really proven uncategorically that the Doctor is fully sentient like Data.
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Old April 24 2012, 11:43 PM   #6
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

It was never proven that Data was sentient.

You can say that the Doctor felt compelled to leave the ship and become an opera star, and Kathryn let him because he is a real person, but I believe that that scenario was plugged into the Doctors memories because it was less painful to deal was a little rejection than cope with the reaization that he is a slave.

Although if he can feel shame and oppression, doesn't that make him a person?

Unless he's just programmed to play out a series of scenarios to entertain the crew.

And if anything out of the Doctors mouth is a preset story, why would he only use each "story" once?

150 crew.

The Doctor is there to make sure they all don't go space crazy.
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Old April 25 2012, 12:04 AM   #7
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

They're not space stories, he's adaptable, but it's still basically all mimicing. I don't really know if a hologram like the EMH could genuinely feel and be sentient.
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Old April 25 2012, 01:09 AM   #8
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

It can't, without being a massive human rights violation.

We see how holograms work in Worst Case Scenario.

When you reset the program, it starts over trying to preform the same functions while observant of the terrain and reacting to obstructions sensibly...

We also see Zimmerman asking for Bashir to unload his own personal life history to fuel up the LMH with a massive stock of pageantry to keep deep space missions titillated.

The real test of this is how he behaved if after Swarm when they reset/bound his program... but then Janeway and ransom could have, but they didn't, traded stories about how their respective EMH's sentience emerged.
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Old April 25 2012, 01:16 AM   #9
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

Maybe The Doctor was the only human on-board 'voyager', and the entire crew / ship / story was an elaborate holodeck program because The Doctor was actually crazy and needed to be isolated away from real humans...

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Old April 25 2012, 01:16 AM   #10
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

Why complain that one hologram seems too human when the holodecks are full of holograms that are a helluva lot more human seeming than Data ever was.

The real question to ask is why data couldn't write his own personality subroutines and implant himself with a holoprogram's human qualities.
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Old April 25 2012, 01:23 AM   #11
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

In the pilot he was teaching himself to sneeze.

Although that thing where he was upgraded to dream was just whacky.
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Old April 25 2012, 04:10 PM   #12
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

Data and the EMH's thinking are both based on programming, right? The Doctor started becoming much more human when they started expanding his subroutines.

In the Caretaker pilot, he seems much less human.
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Old April 25 2012, 04:31 PM   #13
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

Greg House is inhuman?
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Old April 25 2012, 09:49 PM   #14
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Re: Was the Doctor "too human"???

I think he became too human when he got that mobile emitter.
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Old April 26 2012, 12:57 AM   #15
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The Doctor needed to get a mobile emitter at some point.
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