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Old April 3 2012, 09:31 PM   #16
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Re: What if a 'Mass Effect' TV series were made?

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What's interesting about the The Rachni War/Krogan Rebellion? If it's like DS9's Dominion War, that's a point in its favor.
Krogan rebellions - however, I'm not much the wiser for reading that nor am I motivated to invest my time and money in playing the game(s) or reading the tie-in novels.
That's just some background fluff to flesh out the universe. It was never intended to get anyone interested in Mass Effect.
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Old April 3 2012, 09:35 PM   #17
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Anything before the First Contact War (i.e. the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions) would be immediately out because that all took place before humanity arrived on the galactic stage. Even the First Contact War wouldn't make for a terribly good basis for a TV series because it wasn't so much a war as it was a brief scuffle that only lasted a couple of months. The First Contact War could work as the subject of a telemovie or miniseries, though.
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Old April 3 2012, 09:38 PM   #18
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Yeah, you need some humans (or human-like aliens) with understandable motivation and character interaction to keep viewers interested. Hardly anyone's going to keep tuning in to see a bunch of frogs and shrimp slugging it out.
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Old April 3 2012, 10:00 PM   #19
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Yeah, you need some humans (or human-like aliens) with understandable motivation and character interaction to keep viewers interested. Hardly anyone's going to keep tuning in to see a bunch of frogs and shrimp slugging it out.
There's no problem with that since we've got the Asari.
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Old April 3 2012, 10:06 PM   #20
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Re: What if a 'Mass Effect' TV series were made?

I clicked on the link and found this:

The Krogan Rebellions were a major conflict between the krogan and the Citadel Council that began in 700 CE and continued for decades. The Rebellions were preceded by over three hundred years of aggressive krogan expansion coupled with booming population growth. Tensions came to a head when the krogan remorselessly advanced onto worlds already claimed by other races. With the krogan unwilling to back down despite Council demands, the Rebellions ensued.
That sounds about as exciting as George Lucas' blather about taxes and trade routes. Of course, Game of Thrones might sound like that, too, if summarized into a boring generic paragraph, so I'm still trying to figure out if there's a story here on par with what Game of Thrones has been delivering, or even the potential of one being created.

I'm still waiting for someone to step up and take the role of showrunner/advocate, who has cornered a SyFy exec in the elevator between taking pitches for Vampire Paramedic and Teenage Mutant Werewolf PI. Help us Obi-Wan Kenobi! If your pitch doesn't succeed, we'll just get more of that dreck. How do you change the soulless suit's mind in 20 seconds or less?
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Old April 3 2012, 11:01 PM   #21
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I clicked on the link and found this:

The Krogan Rebellions were a major conflict between the krogan and the Citadel Council that began in 700 CE and continued for decades. The Rebellions were preceded by over three hundred years of aggressive krogan expansion coupled with booming population growth. Tensions came to a head when the krogan remorselessly advanced onto worlds already claimed by other races. With the krogan unwilling to back down despite Council demands, the Rebellions ensued.
That sounds about as exciting as George Lucas' blather about taxes and trade routes. Of course, Game of Thrones might sound like that, too, if summarized into a boring generic paragraph, so I'm still trying to figure out if there's a story here on par with what Game of Thrones has been delivering, or even the potential of one being created.

I'm still waiting for someone to step up and take the role of showrunner/advocate, who has cornered a SyFy exec in the elevator between taking pitches for Vampire Paramedic and Teenage Mutant Werewolf PI. Help us Obi-Wan Kenobi! If your pitch doesn't succeed, we'll just get more of that dreck. How do you change the soulless suit's mind in 20 seconds or less?
Well, not for nothing what you're asking is almost like asking someone to describe all of star trek for you in a 20 second ad. It really can't be done (which is why few star trek ads do more than what was shown in the trailer above). There are many themes covered in the game, ranging from "what is life" to "how far will you go to save you're species". Mass Effect covers multiple plot threads that spans (easily) over 100 hours of play time, with outcomes changing depending on YOUR choice.

Trying to get a shmuck on the internet who isn't trained in marketing to develop a pitch that can convince a TV exec is a hopeless cause All one can do is really toss out trailers such as this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBkty...0l97l458l6l6l0.


Is that really all that different from this DS9 teaser?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM_uPsLONnk
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Old April 3 2012, 11:30 PM   #22
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Re: What if a 'Mass Effect' TV series were made?

Mass Effect 1 in 5 mins (heavily condensed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIfx32iAjzU

Mass Effect 1 and 2 summary in 5 mins (heavily condensed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taraGC40m4U

While the Krogan rebellions make for an interesting backstory to the Krogan (who due to the lasting effects of the war are mostly infertile and on the cusp of extinction), the actual wars themselves wouldn't make for much of a show due to the length of the war and lack of human characters.

The skirmish between the Turians and the humans would make for a pretty nice mini series. You have humanities first contact with an alien race, the big changes it brings and humanity becoming part of a galactic community. It'd also be a nice gradual introduction to all the many diverse races.

As for Halo Vs Mass Effect in regards to story through the entire series, I can't say since I haven't played any Halo beyond the first game (whose plot bored me to tears). I can say that Mass Effect 1 has more dialogue, story and drama in the first hour or so then the entire of Halo 1. Not surprising since Mass Effect is an action RPG.

With regards to the Reapers, they aren't exactly machines. Think of them as cyber space cthulu that reproduce through genocide.
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Old April 4 2012, 04:49 AM   #23
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With regards to the Reapers, they aren't exactly machines.
They do sound a lot like JMS's Thirdspace aliens though. Anyway, we're just carbon-based electrochemical machines. At some stage, provided we survive long enough, our species will probably upgrade to a more durable substrate.

Think of them as cyber space cthulu that reproduce through genocide.
Ah, a heady mixture of sex and violence. At last, we're cooking. Get HBO on the line...
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Old April 4 2012, 04:53 AM   #24
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Re: What if a 'Mass Effect' TV series were made?

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With regards to the Reapers, they aren't exactly machines.
They do sound a lot like JMS's Thirdspace aliens though. Anyway, we're just carbon-based electrochemical machines. At some stage, provided we survive long enough, out species will probably upgrade to a more durable substrate.

Think of them as cyber space cthulu that reproduce through genocide.
Ah, a heady mixture of sex and violence. At last, we're cooking. Get HBO on the line...
They also turn people into cybernetic zombies by impaling them on large spikes sometimes brainwashing the person into voluntarily impaling themselves on it.
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Old April 4 2012, 04:57 AM   #25
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Re: What if a 'Mass Effect' TV series were made?

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With regards to the Reapers, they aren't exactly machines. Think of them as cyber space cthulu that reproduce through genocide.
Ah, a heady mixture of sex and violence. At last, we're cooking. Get HBO on the line...
They also turn people into cybernetic zombies by impaling them on large spikes sometimes brainwashing the person into voluntarily impaling themselves on it.
A not too subtle metaphor for anal rape and sexual dependency, even better.
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Old April 4 2012, 05:16 AM   #26
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Temis, try this for size.
"War Hero Cmdr. Shepard and his elite crew of commandos and (sometimes odd) specialists, travel the galaxy battling conspiracies, both human and alien, corporate corruption, and trying to unravel the mystery of why a once high ranking agent of the galactic government has apparently turned traitor and begun a campaign of genocide against humanity in cooperation with one of the governments most hated foes."
There is more to it of course, interactions among the somewhat quirky crew and outsiders ranging from organized crime to diplomats (if you can tell the difference).
I have never played Halo, but I know a number of people who like it. It sounds like a very military story. While the Normandy (our heroes requisite "prototype kickass ship" is a military vessel, it is on detached duty and acts as more of a spec ops support ship for an agent and his team.
Haven't gotten to 3 yet, but the war story there is like the Shadow War. Something that has been built up to over the previous "season" of the story, and is the giant climax to a story that began as a (not simple) manhunt.
I hope that helps.
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Old April 4 2012, 02:38 PM   #27
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I would suspect that the current incarnation of The Clone Wars effectively occupies the marketing niche that Halo or Mass Effect would strive to occupy as entertainment. Popular as the games were, I doubt that animated versions would ever be nearly as successful.
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Anything before the First Contact War (i.e. the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions) would be immediately out because that all took place before humanity arrived on the galactic stage. Even the First Contact War wouldn't make for a terribly good basis for a TV series because it wasn't so much a war as it was a brief scuffle that only lasted a couple of months. The First Contact War could work as the subject of a telemovie or miniseries, though.
Not really sure you could have a Mass effect universe tv series, unless you want
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Old April 4 2012, 08:30 PM   #29
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The mistake everyone appears to be making is in focusing on the plot and background details. As well done as all that is, it's just so much window dressing. What really attracts most people to Mass Effect is the plethora of well written and memorable characters.

Was Star Trek about a spaceships zipping about, scantily clad women covered in green bodypaint and wibbly balls of light spouting cheezy dialogue...or was it about the core characters? Was Babylon 5 about an ancient battle between the forces of order and chaos, the rise and fall of empires and the sweeping events that changed the shape of a galaxy forever, or was it about the people that lived through it?

Any show, Mass Effect of otherwise needs a more than just a well written and compelling backdrop, it needs a well written and compelling cast of characters. Now, they could just take the ones from the game a retell the whole story...but that'd probably be a mistake (though I gather it's what the movie is going to do.)

To my mind, the best bet would be to come up with a new cast of characters and set the story in the two year gap between ME1 & 2. As for the characters...I think it'd be best to stick with the idea of a mixed group, mostly working outside the lines rather than rank and file military. Perhaps even a non-military Cowboy Beebop/Firefly type setup?

P.S. For those not familiar with ME and still want a well presented primer on the games: this one and this one are probably the best ones around. Massive spoilers for the first two games, needless to say. There are some ME3 ones on the same channel, but they haven't done a full length plot one yet.
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Anything before the First Contact War (i.e. the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions) would be immediately out because that all took place before humanity arrived on the galactic stage. Even the First Contact War wouldn't make for a terribly good basis for a TV series because it wasn't so much a war as it was a brief scuffle that only lasted a couple of months. The First Contact War could work as the subject of a telemovie or miniseries, though.
Not really sure you could have a Mass effect universe tv series, unless you want
Yeah, but you're ignoring the 30-odd years before all of that just to make your point. There's plenty of time in which to set a TV series.
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