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Old August 9 2012, 06:55 PM   #436
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Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux!

Triple H is semi-retired anyway and facing guys who are not in any title story lines (Nash, Undertaker, Lesnar), so I think his pursuit of Flair's record ended quite a while ago and might've only been fan perceived at that.

As I've stated before when Admiral M first brought up his Cena theory (which appears to be very true now) I've been surprised that John has stayed out of the title picture for as long as he has now. I don't know that if anyone other than a Cena fan would be interested in witnessing another Cena title run right now.

How they're handling Punk right now is perhaps the most interesting aspect (I have gone back to watching segments here and there again). I don't detect a full fledged heel turn as we all thought happened. I see so far a pseudo-heel turn being worked eventually into a full turn. Punk has always been about demanding respect. This is afterall how the huge story line came about last summer and how they worked out him out of his Straight Edge/Nexus leader gimmick and transitioned him into the anti-hero character he is now. I have said in the past that I saw a title drop happening in Summer Slam but I didn't see it happening to Cena. Rock/Punk would be ten times more fascinating than Rock/Cena II.
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Old August 9 2012, 11:55 PM   #437
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Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux!

In honour of this last couple of weeks of infamy,

"The Infamous Five"

1. Jackson Andrews (for the assault on Rosa Mendes and his two timing)
2. Dawn Marie (for the Wrestlers Rescue controversy)
3. AW (for the Kobe Bryant remark)
4. Tensai (for the promo he cut on Sakamoto)
5. Kevin Nash (for his shameless attention seeking via Twitter)

(feel free to nominate your own infamous fives)
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Old August 10 2012, 12:57 AM   #438
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Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux!

I'd want to stick Sheamus in for shitting in Del Rio's car. Even though it is kayfabe. The Great Shite.

Fookin' hate him.
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Old August 10 2012, 03:25 AM   #439
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Ironically, the two things I dislike about Sheamus aren't actually his fault. The crap lines that he delivers are scripted by WWE Creative and even though he's a 3 time World Champion and the incumbent top face on Smackdown, he doesn't have that level of political manoeuvring to veto terrible dialogue.

As for the other thing, I don't like it when Michael Cole passionately says "THEEE IRISH CURSE BACKBREAKER" 99% of the time that Sheamus does the move. (I can only recall one instance that he doesn't and that was recently due to the other announcer(s) talking over him) It's so incredibly mind boggling to be so passionate about a non-finishing move that doesn't really warrant a special name. He doesn't have near as much passion for any other regular moves. In fact, it's become somewhat common practise not to apply a "name of power" to any signature moves other than finishers, for example:

- The commentators are seemingly forbidden from mentioning any references to Randy Savage, despite the fact that CM Punk's diving elbow is clearly a tribute, complete with the taunt and is usually followed with Randy Savage chants from the crowd.
- John Cena's Blue Thunder powerbomb is usually referred to as a spinout suplex or not mentioned at all, given that it's part of his five moves of doom.
- Dolph Ziggler's Rocker Dropper/Fame Asser doesn't have a name, neither does John Cena's diving variation.
- CM Punk's corner knee attack is actually a variation of the Shining Wizard, but it is never referred to as such.
- Triple H's knee drop was previously referred to as a "Harley Race kneedrop" and his spinebuster was always a "Double A spinebuster", although this was mostly said by Jim Ross in reference to Triple H's influences.
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Old August 10 2012, 03:29 AM   #440
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Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux!

Yeah...the Savage thing is strange, on their facebook feed and I assume wwe.com they've been showing Savage as part of their fantasy wrestling dream matches. I believe they've also shown or referenced Savage matches too. It is extremely weird their stance on him.
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Old August 10 2012, 05:06 AM   #441
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Yeah...the Savage thing is strange, on their facebook feed and I assume wwe.com they've been showing Savage as part of their fantasy wrestling dream matches. I believe they've also shown or referenced Savage matches too. It is extremely weird their stance on him.
It's completely

A Randy Savage DVD would not only make a fortune, but also serve as a fitting tribute for a guy who did so much for the wrestling business. The problem is likely Vince McMahon, who's input into such a DVD (as an interviewee on the documentary) would be crucial.

I don't buy the Stephanie rumours, but Savage must have done something incredibly bad to receive the unperson treatment. Take Hulk Hogan for example, over the years he has argued tirelessly with Vince McMahon about money and creative control, he left WWE in 1993 and ended up with it's rival - WCW in 1994. Hogan then left WWE in 2003 on bad terms but they patched things up again in 2005 en route to Hogan being inducted into the WWE HOF. Following Hogan's match with Randy Orton in 2006, Hogan again left WWE on bad terms and 3 years later joined TNA and announced his intentions to compete with WWE. Yet with all this being said and done, Hogan is still referenced in WWE, DVDs and merchandise are still made and promoted and he is probably still on amicable terms with Vince McMahon - hell who knows, they might even still socialise with one another!

The WWE has a very small "unperson list":

- Nailz: Attacked Vince McMahon and choked him in a dispute over money, later sued WWE and accused Vince McMahon of pressuring him into taking steroids.

- Chris Benoit: Murdered his family and then committed suicide whilst still under contract to WWE.

- Ole Anderson: Involved in a bitter legal battle over Georgia Championship Wrestling in the 1980's with Vince McMahon, Anderson has constantly blasted and criticised McMahon publicly through the years.

- Alundra Blayze: Defected to WCW whilst still the Women's Champion. Took said title belt and threw it into a rubbish bin/trash can during an episode of Nitro.

- Chyna: Publicly critical of WWE and Triple H and Stephanie McMahon, in particular. Left WWE on bad terms, made a sex tape and eventually ended up with a career in porn.

- Randy Savage: ?

As you can see, Savage's name is on that blacklist with some very infamous company. It does make one wonder what exactly he did that made Vince McMahon - the businessman who has shown willingness to put personal issues aside for the sake of doing good business - blacklist him?
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Old August 10 2012, 08:19 AM   #442
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Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux!

I forgot too...Savage cut that promo (which was amazing btw) for WWE All Stars before his death. I don't buy the Steph rumours, that seems more like pro wrestling urban legend than anything else.

Hogan has done press praising Vince since joining TNA in various interviews elsewhere so yeah that relationship seems to have repaired its self and they show Hogan clips from time to time and mention him. Savage though? Not a peep...even with you've got the crowd drowning out with RANDY SAVAGE chants during Punk matches. It's crazy.
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Old August 10 2012, 11:20 PM   #443
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Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux!

I don't know if everyone has been keeping up with the latest controversy regarding WWE not paying some talent adequately. This specifically revolves around Wrestlemania week where it has been alleged that some talent were paid as little as $500 for an entire week of PR work.

One of the more interesting things was that Zack Ryder -who sells a hell of a lot of merchandise - is apparently recieving as little as 1% in merchandise royalties. It's also been said that John Cena makes as much as 40% in merchandise royalties.

That got me curious, Cena makes 40% in merchandise royalties?! The guy must be worth an absolute fortune (we knew this already, but to see an actual figure like 40% is staggering). Lets assume that WWE shifts around $20 million of Cena merchandise every year, that means that Cena makes around $7-8 million each year in merchandise royalties alone! What's even worse is that figure is around 70 times (yes 70 times!) more than what many of the lower card talent can hope to make in a year when their downside and merchandise sales add up (PPV appearances are scarce and therefore the opportunities for bonuses are few and far between).

As for how much Cena is making in total, his downside (that's the amount of money that he'll receive in a year, regardless of how much he is used) has got to be around $2 million. Cena has also reached that level of superstardom and status in the WWE that they will have added little bonuses to his contract such as first class tickets and accommodation and maybe they will have even provided him with his own luxury touring bus (like Orton, Big Show and CM Punk) for mid range travel. The lower card guys have to pay ALL their own travel and accommodation expenses, although they can get discounts through the WWE office, but that's still not the point. PPV bonuses are a lot more complicated to work out, but it's safe to say that Cena will make 5 figure sums for the B-PPV's and 6 figure sums for shows like Royal Rumble and Survivor Series. Wrestlemania pays out massively, it's very possible for the top talent to make in excess of $1 million as a PPV bonus.

I would estimate that John Cena makes around $10-12 million a year after tax.


ETA: AW is gone - I'm not particularly surprised given the bad publicity, backstage heat and possible threat to Linda McMahon's senate campaign following his Kobe Bryant remark.

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Old August 11 2012, 02:12 AM   #444
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Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux!

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Ironically, the two things I dislike about Sheamus aren't actually his fault.
How about his being a fucking poor wrestler? Oh sure he's got a decent well-executed moveset (even if the brogue kick is a real bastard game over out of nowhere move), but his pacing is useless. Any match longer than 5 minutes becomes a stereotypical superCena performance. He's not had a good match I can think of where he's the one who deserves any credit. DB vs him at Extreme Rules is one of the matches of the year, but he was effectly Bryan's broom to put on a masterclass (same as Bryan had against Cena this Raw, albeit far more truncated). Sheamus is genuinely worse than Orton I'd say.
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- Dolph Ziggler's Rocker Dropper/Fame Asser doesn't have a name, neither does John Cena's diving variation.
Reading this I realised you were completely right and I'd not really thought about it before. I looked it up and it's supposedly known as the "namedropper", but if I had to look it up then it may as well not have a name at all.
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Old August 11 2012, 11:20 PM   #445
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^ I don't even recall Michael Cole (or whoever has ever served as a PBP commmentator during Ziggler's matches) ever referring to the move as the "namedropper", but I've also looked it up and found it to be named as such.

AW is right about the apparent unfairness in disciplinary action. He was released for making a joke in poor taste and publicly endorsing Linda McMahon when talent were told not to bring up the election, regardless of whether they supported Linda or not. In the last 6 months:

- WWE has Publicly supported the be a STAR campaign, despite booking angles in which numerous "fan-favourite" talents have come across as bullies.
- Vince McMahon did a mocking impression of Jim Ross that included imitating Ross' Bell's Palsy facial symptoms.
- Jerry Lawler constantly makes fat jokes about Vickie Guerrero.
- John Cena has made numerous homophobic remarks.
- CM Punk made a big error in judgement by telling a fan to "go kill yourself" on Twitter.
- Tensai cut a promo filled with stereotypical remarks about Japanese people.
- Shawn Michaels called a fan a "homo" over Twitter after the fan asked HBK about his hair.
- John Cena called John Laurinaitis a "cripple".
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Old August 12 2012, 05:06 AM   #446
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ust-2012-intro

The start of a neverending series, probably. Crivens. Hope it's a decent read.
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Old August 12 2012, 10:00 AM   #447
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Re: General Pro Wrestling News and Discussion Thread Part Deux!

Someone asked Jericho on twitter his opinion on Miz...and he responded that he loved him, and thinks he's the future of the company.
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Old August 13 2012, 04:06 PM   #448
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^That's not terribly surprising. They get seen quite often in eachother company out in public. Also, Miz is clearly using Jericho as a role model to build his career.

In any event it is high praise.
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Old August 13 2012, 09:14 PM   #449
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It's just a shame Miz isn't Y2J in the ring.
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It's just a shame Miz isn't Y2J in the ring.
I've seen guys who are far worse in the ring who have been pushed to the moon.
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