Avengers Vs. X-Men -- Speculation, Spoilers, and Discussion

[Guy Gardener]

Every account I've heard of Winston Churchill says that he wasn't a very nice person.

[Turtletrekker]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Every account I've heard of Winston Churchill says that he wasn't a very nice person.

A favorite quote of mine...

Lady Nancy Astor: Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea.

Churchill: Nancy, if I were your husband, I'd drink it.

[Admiral_Young]

I have to say that I actually enjoyed this issue...but overall...the whole thing was one giant clusterfuck of a mess. As I've said from the start, it reminded me of last year's Fear Itself except with slightly better pacing. I'm still passing on the hardcover when it comes out next year. I am going to be wary of the next event from Marvel since it's been reported they are going to be following this type of format from now on. This needed LESS writers and more focus. I'm really pumped for Marvel Now.

[Guy Gardener]

You need monsters to fight monsters.

[Mr Light]

I'd rank the Quesada Era Events as....
1. Civil War
2. Avengers vs X-Men
3. Secret Invasion
4. Siege
5. World War Hulk
6. Fear Itself

[Admiral_Young]

1. Civil War
2. Secret Invasion
3. World War Hulk
4. Avengers Vs X-Men
5. Siege
6. Fear Itself

Would be my rating of the ones listed.

[Turtletrekker]

Civil War
Secret Invasion
Chaos War
World War Hulk
Siege
AvX
House of M
Shadowland
Fear Itself

[Praetor_Shinzon]

Annihilation
World War Hulk
Second Coming
War of Kings
Secret Invasion

[Admiral_Young]

Also technically "Avengers Vs X-Men" is the first Marvel event under Axel Alonso's editorship since Quesada was "promoted" I believe.

[Frodo Lives]

Cyclops won. Awesome.

No matter what Cap says in the epilogue, Scott got exactly what he wanted at the start of the series; mutants are back.

And he's in prison - so what? He was more than willing to die for his cause, being locked up ain't shit. And, as has been pointed out, is so fucking hypocritical it's laughable. If it had been Jean, Logan and Steve would be kissing her ass and practically throwing her a party.

Hell, even Xavier's death can't be that much of a bother considering the old man's actions of the last few years. In death he'll get his sainthood back, and be entirely forgiven for his misdeeds in Deadly Genesis and with the Illuminati. Oh, and no one mention Onslaught, right?

All in all, while the final issue was a bit meh, the ambiguity of the ending is what I actually like about it the most. Though you've got wonder if the next event will address Cap and Wolvie's hubris, the way this one took aim at Cyclops'. Probably not.

[Starbreaker]

As far as storylines throughout the X-Books, this was probably my favorite since Messiah Complex.

[DarthPipes]

Frodo Lives wrote:

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Cyclops won. Awesome.

No matter what Cap says in the epilogue, Scott got exactly what he wanted at the start of the series; mutants are back.

And he's in prison - so what? He was more than willing to die for his cause, being locked up ain't shit. And, as has been pointed out, is so fucking hypocritical it's laughable. If it had been Jean, Logan and Steve would be kissing her ass and practically throwing her a party.

Hell, even Xavier's death can't be that much of a bother considering the old man's actions of the last few years. In death he'll get his sainthood back, and be entirely forgiven for his misdeeds in Deadly Genesis and with the Illuminati. Oh, and no one mention Onslaught, right?

All in all, while the final issue was a bit meh, the ambiguity of the ending is what I actually like about it the most. Though you've got wonder if the next event will address Cap and Wolvie's hubris, the way this one took aim at Cyclops'. Probably not.

Oh, God, I can't even imagine the hypocracy Wolverine would be spouting if Jean had done what Cyclops had done here. I'm betting we would have gotten Logan calling her Jeannie 1000 times and threatening to gut anyone who dared accuse her of everything.

The X-Men need their own leader, not Captain Hypocrite and St. Wolverine the Avenger.

[Hartzilla2007]

DarthPipes wrote:

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The X-Men need their own leader, not Captain Hypocrite and St. Wolverine the Avenger.

Well seeing as Cyclops killed him thats kind of hard right now.

So I guess the young not NotMagneto! version of Cyclopes will have to do.

[Guy Gardener]

That's like saying that if Barry dies somehow that you should go back in time and find a younger version of the same man to complete the smouldering corpse's term as presidency.

I'm amazed that worked for star for as long as it did.

Summers Loyalists... "the Summers rebellion" Shit. That sounds familiar.

Methinks that all our mutant future history might have been spun.

And look what a crack pot Bishop turned out to be he destroyed the world 7 times over.

[Hartzilla2007]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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That's like saying that if Barry dies somehow that you should go back in time and find a younger version of the same man to complete the smouldering corpse's term as presidency.

actually Not!Magneto Cyclopes is still alive, he's just probably insane and in jail.